But the only thing wrong with this statement my dear friend is that the Bauer family is not listed and they are the first family of Springfield!

I agree that the Bauers are missing, but this is a problem that predates Kreizman.

Rick is at least back on contract, with a storyline -- one that taps into resonances from the show's history to boot.

Also, I think what Kreizman was saying in his letter was that specific families come and go on the show (the mention of cast changes), but the theme or idea of the "brotherhood of man", which includes family togetherness, is what has made GL last for 70 years. So he doesn't pretend there has been no cast upheaval.

Edited December 23, 200619 yr by jfung79

Kreizman loves the Coopers so they will be front and center. He has turned the Spauldings into cartoon villans and psychopaths while his saintly Coopers can do no wrong. The Bauers have been on the show for fifty years and we barely see Rick or get a mention of them. Vanessa and matt are rarely on and the fan outcry after Jordan Clarke won the emmy is the only reason he is on contract. Kreizman has destroyed every single character and the history of the show to fit his crappy storylines. Dk is the one responsible for that horrible comic book tie in.

Kreizman is an idiot that should have never been promoted to headwriter and I hope he gets the boot soon. :angry:

What's wrong with loving the Coopers or having them be front and center? I'd rather that than Buzz be fired, or be relegated to once-a-week being seen at Company. Even the great Claire Labine didn't do much with Buzz. Kreizman, on the other hand, has him as a romantic sublead with Olivia, who is one of the main heroines or antiheroines of the show, in addition to proud papa of Coop, Harley, and Frank.

As for the Spauldings, I agree that Alan has been turned into somewhat a cartoon villain, but Alex has not, nor has Alan-Michael (see the way he helped with baby Sydney), and certainly not Gus. Lizzie is also much more multidimensional now than a couple years ago, when she was just a selfish schemer.

You're probably right that fan outcry and the Emmy helped Jordan Clarke get back on contract, but the show responding to this outcry is also encouraging in my view.

Ellen Wheeler and David Kreizman aren't perfect, but I've seen a lot worse, and I'm not about to throw the baby out with the bath water by bashing everything they do or calling for their dismissal.

Edited December 23, 200619 yr by jfung79

What's wrong with loving the Coopers or having them be front and center? I'd rather that than Buzz be fired, or be relegated to once-a-week being seen at Company. Even the great Claire Labine didn't do much with Buzz. Kreizman, on the other hand, has him as a romantic sublead with Olivia, who is one of the main heroines or antiheroines of the show, in addition to proud papa of Coop, Harley, and Frank.

As for the Spauldings, I agree that Alan has been turned into somewhat a cartoon villain, but Alex has not, nor has Alan-Michael (see the way he helped with baby Sydney), and certainly not Gus. Lizzie is also much more multidimensional now than a couple years ago, when she was just a selfish schemer.

You're probably right that fan outcry and the Emmy helped Jordan Clarke get back on contract, but the show responding to this outcry is also encouraging in my view.

Ellen Wheeler and David Kreizman aren't perfect, but I've seen a lot worse, and I'm not about to throw the baby out with the bath water by bashing everything they do or calling for their dismissal.

There are other families on the show that the fans want to see but he ignores them. The Coopers have been on the front burner for many years while many of the other families are sitting in back burner hell. They made Olivia apologize to her rapist and they are acting like she deserved to be raped. People have had enough of the Coopers and they want to see other families(Bauers, and Marlers for example). We do not get to see great characters like Alexandra because Kreizman is only interested in his precious Coopers. Alan-Michael should be seen in the corporate world instead of seducing his almost daughter Marina and Ava and fighting with Coop.

Kreizman and Wheeler destroyed many of the characters histories when he aged Leah past all of the other kids on the show. She was born after her big brother Jude so she should still be a toddler not a teenager. They also put Josh and Cassie together despite the many fans telling them not to.

Kreizman and Wheeler do not care about what the fans want or the history of the show and it shows. If they are not fired there won't be a Guiding Light to talk about.

What would happen if you "longtime" Guiding Light fans got your wish? What if they brought back a bunch of Bauers by bringing on new actors we've never seen taking over the roles of Mike, Meta, Trudy, Hope, and everyone else? Would you instantly love them simply because their last name is Bauer? Would you immediately be invested in their storylines, even if they shoved all of them down our throats? I guess because their last name is Bauer, you would all love them regardless. How many of you in this thread who so desperately want Bauers to return were watching the show back when GL really was all about Bauer Power? Were you even alive in the 70's? I know some of you weren't. You might find an all-Bauer Guiding Light to be very boring or even unrecognizable if they brought on a bunch of people you don't know who happen to have the Bauer last name.

What would happen if you "longtime" Guiding Light fans got your wish? What if they brought back a bunch of Bauers by bringing on new actors we've never seen taking over the roles of Mike, Meta, Trudy, Hope, and everyone else? Would you instantly love them simply because their last name is Bauer? Would you immediately be invested in their storylines, even if they shoved all of them down our throats? I guess because their last name is Bauer, you would all love them regardless. How many of you in this thread who so desperately want Bauers to return were watching the show back when GL really was all about Bauer Power? Were you even alive in the 70's? I know some of you weren't. You might find an all-Bauer Guiding Light to be very boring or even unrecognizable if they brought on a bunch of people you don't know who happen to have the Bauer last name.

No one said that we wanted an all Bauer GL. We want a show that gives all the family equal time and consideration instead of the headwriter personal favorite. If they recast some of the Bauers I would not be mad because many of them have been off the show for a long time that it wouldn't matter with the exception of Ed Bauer. I don't instantly like anybody because they belong to a certain family and no we don't want anyone shoved down anybody throats.

All I can say is that GL > ATWT right now, but that's really not saying much.

And both DK and JP are effing liars. Neither one of them gives a damn about the histories of the shows. CG and JP messed up ATWT's 50th anniversary this year, and I don't have many expectations for GL's 70th anniversary.

Edited December 24, 200619 yr by Ms. Walsh

I've watched ATWT and GL faithfully up until September/October when I finally gave up on ATWT (that should say something).

As much as DK pisses me off sometimes, he at least knows and acknowledges GL's encompassing theme. I thought his letter was really well thought out and written. Yeah, characters come and go, family focus shifts, etc. but even when the writing sucks, I still get that sense of family and togetherness on GL (as cheesy as it sounds) that I am soo not getting on ATWT. On that show, people who are directly related to each other don't seem to be (ie. Barbara not knowing about the death of her grandchild).

Anyone who says that GL doesn't acknowledge its history hasn't been paying attention very well. Let's see...

- It has often been stated that Reva has been married to both Billy and HB; that she wasn't there for her kids when they were growing up

- Everyone knows by now that Dinah is a murderer (her victim being Hart)

- We know that Rick & Beth have at least known each other since they were teens; Rick recently just said that one reason he wouldn't want to continue being with Beth is because he doesn't want to even deal with what would happen if Philip were to show up all of a sudden

- Tammy has occasionally spoken about her lack of a real father aside from Richard; she also recently mentioned how Lizzie burned down her boarding school and pushed someone down a flight of stairs (I'm still wondering who it was she pushed, though)

- While Buzz is practically the polar opposite of Alan now, it has been mentioned over and over again how he left his family and miss out on his kids' lives many years ago.

- Lillian also used to be far different than who she is today

- Lizzie battled leukemia

- Rick recently mentioned how me missed one of his relatives (I forgot her name but she was a Bauer)

- A-M has always been second-best to Philip; he's also a Bauer, etc. etc.

I just don't see DK as the devil like some people do here. He's improved drastically with balancing stories and giving other characters frontburner material. The show's not perfect but I don't think it completely bombs, either.

I'm pissed off with Guiding Light. If DK wrote better for the Cassie Character, Laura Wright would never have infected GH.

^Hehe. Score one for Sinclair.

Tammy has occasionally spoken about her lack of a real father aside from Richard; she also recently mentioned how Lizzie burned down her boarding school and pushed someone down a flight of stairs (I'm still wondering who it was she pushed, though)

It was Olivia, SJ. In 2003, Olivia was pregnant with Emma and Lizzie hated Olivia's role in Phillip's life. She tried to kill the child when she tripped Olivia down a flight of stairs at the Beacon.

Lillian also used to be far different than who she is today

Eh. Not really. I mean, she was a weaker person when she first came on and was in denial about Bradley's abuse (and subsequent rape) of Beth, but I wouldn't say she was *that* much different.

I'm pissed off with Guiding Light. If DK wrote better for the Cassie Character, Laura Wright would never have infected GH.

You have my sympathy Sinclair.

If it makes you GH fans feel any better, I'd rather have Laura Wright back than have Nicole Forrester.

If it makes you GH fans feel any better, I'd rather have Laura Wright back than have Nicole Forrester.

Pfft...I could care less about the Cassie character. She should have been written out a long time ago!

Pfft...I could care less about the Cassie character. She should have been written out a long time ago!

Oh ditto. I'd sooner have Reva's REAL sister back. But in terms of the lesser of two evils, Laura Wright is the better choice, IMO.

Well, we had Peter Simon back as Ed, a development I absolutely loved... until he got so fed up after the Maryanne Carruthers story that he bolted again.

I'll take Kreizman, thanks. He may not be Pam Long, Nancy Curlee or Stephen Demorest, but he has an idea of what he's doing.

DK definitely isn't the best by any means, but he certainly isn't the worst, either. Every time I think about how bored I am with GL or how much I dislike its storylines, I just remember Ellen Weston's reign of terror, and I figure GL really isn't THAT bad right now (not that that's saying a whole lot).

DK definitely isn't the best by any means, but he certainly isn't the worst, either. Every time I think about how bored I am with GL or how much I dislike its storylines, I just remember Ellen Weston's reign of terror, and I figure GL really isn't THAT bad right now (not that that's saying a whole lot).

IA. Compared to C&W, this team is a million times better. IMO, though, the writing is still really poor. I think the good acting makes up for it, but there's only so much that the actors can do w/ bad writing.

W&K have done a better job w/ the history of the show. But then again, we're comparing this w/ the people who brought us a storyline that completely destroyed the history of the show in hundreds of ways.

I will say that GL has not been *that* bad in a few years actually. By no means am I a fan of DK, b/c I think the writing is still atrocious. But really, it's been consistently good for quite some time. Considering all the budget cuts and whatnot, the show IMO has the best acting on daytime, which makes up for a lot of the downsides of the show.

And please, for the love of God, let's not get LW back on the show. When she was on GL, I always felt bad for her b/c she was playing second fiddle to KZ. But on GH, she's just awful!! I don't think I could look at her the same way again, even if she came back as Cassie.