Paul Raven

When should we be seeing him onscreen?

Sherry Mathis as Liza on SFT. Meg Bennett was very popular and again Hope Busby hadn't clicked as the first recast, so audiences were probably ready to check out a new Liza. The timing was right as Liza was widowed so didn't have to share scenes with Steve and the new romance with Travis took off, giving Sherry the best opportunity to shine.

OK I missed that. Serves me right for FFing. How was that handled?

Some excerpts from The Barbour Family 'Memory Book' from One Man's Family. HENRY BARBOUR, born 1875. Married 1896. Father of Paul, Hazel, Clifford, Claudia, Jack. Founded the Henry Barbour Stock Brokerage House, 1912. With Henry - and partly from him - I learned what an important and stabilizing thing a family can be in this fast changing world. As he once said: "If we, by example, can in some small way further the desire in America for family tradition and family loyalty, we will have served a worthy purpose." CLAUDIA BARBOUR, born August 1, 1912. Married on May 6, 1931 to John Roberts, Jr. (Deceased 1933). Daughter Joan born May 3, 1933. Claudia married Captain Nicholas Lacey, Bart., June 24, 1935. Divides her time between their home in San Francisco and the Sky Ranch, which Nicky bought in 1935. PAUL BARBOUR, born June 4, 1897. Married June 1918 to Elaine Hunter (Deceased July 1918). Much of Paul's time away from the flying field is spent being a good father to Teddy, whom he adopted in the Summer of 1933. CLIFFORD BARBOUR, born August 1, 1912. Twin brother of Claudia. Married Sept. 19, 1937 to Ann Waite (Deceased 1938). "J.D." born Oct. 16, 1938. Clifford entered his father's business August 10, 1934. When Clifford was in bed with a broken ankle last Spring, he said: "It's a good idea for people to be sick once is a while. It gives them a chance to slow down, and kind of get acquainted with their families." That's what gave me the idea of making this book - as a way of getting acquainted with some of the things about my family I had forgotten. HAZEL BARBOUR, born March 11, 1900. Married William Herbert, May 7, 1932. Twin children Martin Henry ("Hank") and William Barbour ("Pinky") born January 30, 1933. Daughter Margaret born Aug. 2, 1936. When Hazel was a little girl. Father Barbour used to say: "Hmph! Won't that child ever be anything but all legs?" Now he admits she's one of the most gracious and courageous mothers he has ever known. Hazel herself says: "Naturally my chief interest is making a wellrounded home for Hank and Pink and Margaret. Beyond that I ask very little... simplicity, a little pleasure and a great deal of pleasant contact with the family." JACK BARBOUR, born January 13, 1917. Married Betty Carter, Deo. 18, 1936. Jack says: "Betty's the swellest wife a guy could have" - and Betty says: "Being married to Jack is more fun than I ever had in all my life." Jack and Betty have been married over three years now - and I've learned this from both of them: that when young people of the newer generation decide to marry, they try with everything that's in them to make their relationship solid and honest. They seem to see in marriage and a home not only something pleasant and exciting in itself - but one of the few sure, stable institutions that are left them in this changing and uncertain world. Claudia says: "Betty's a pretty wise young wife... When she calls Jack 'My great big wonderful man' he does ex¬ actly as she wants him to. Even Jack admits: 'The reason Betty and I get on so well is she goes her way - and I go with her' ." NICHOLAS LACEY, born London, England, Oct. 6, 1907. Husband of Claudia, and' father of Penelope. Nicholas deserves a full page in this book. ..because I have learned from him that a son-in-law can be so generous and considerate, so open-hearted, that he wins his way into the heart of the family. As Nicky himself says: "Joining a new family's like reading a good book - with something new and interesting on every page." Nicky married Claudia June 24, 1935, at our home in Sea Cliff, with Clifford as best man. When Nicky went to get the license, they asked him if he was looking for a hunting license and he said: "No, the hunting is over. I want a license to marry the girl I've found." In the Summer of 1935, Nicky bought the Sky Ranch where he raises thoroughbred horses, and where he and Claudia and the children spend their Summers and a lot of weekends. Here is a snapshot of Claudia beside the swimming pool they built last Summer. The whole ranch covers 400 acres - and much of it is woodland. FANNY BARBOUR, born 1878, married 1896. Voted by the Barbours the most loving, tolerant, and kindly mother that they ever had. Knowing her generous nature, perhaps the best we children could wish for her is what she wished for herself - when she said, just a little while ago: "All I ask or hope for the years ahead is a repetition of all the good years that lie behind me. I have your father and I have you children. What more could any woman ask? I will find strength in Hazel's strength, anticipation in Claudia and Nicky's anticipation, and pleasure in Clifford's pleasure. I will find food for thought in Paul's reflective nature, and I will find youth and the excitement of being alive in Jack and Betty's new found happiness. Mine will be a future running over with good things. "

Following Maude, Rue had the short lived flop Apple Pie with Dabney Coleman and then it was guest shots till GG. Her only other network series was an 11 episode stint on Safe Harbor. Speaking of Dabney, he had several attempts at finding a hit. He was a regular on Mary Hartman/Forever Fernwood 76-78 Apple Pie 78 Buffalo Bill 83-84 Slap Maxwell 87-88 Drexell's Class 91-92 Madman of the People 94-95 None of those sitcoms worked. The Guardian 2001-2004 Back to sitcoms with Courting Alex 2006 And finally Boardwalk Empire on HBO 2010-11

There was nary a mention of Paul. Like he never existed. I think it would have been nice had there been a message from Paul wishing the couple all the best. And maybe Christine reflecting - something along the line's of 'Paul will always have a special place in my heart... After all Paul and Christine were pretty much presented as the perfect couple. If Michael and Lauren, 2 characters who plotted against Danny and Cricket can now be besties, I think Paul deserved something.

Erika Slezak as Viki. A bad recast (Joanne Dorian) following Gillian Spencer probably had viewers on side with the new Viki and Erika of course made the role her own. Chris Robinson as Rick on GH. On Y&R, although David Hasselhoff was a 'different' Snapper audience acceptance seemed positive. Whereas I think audiences never really warmed to Victoria Mallory in the way they did Janice Lynde, but accepted her nonetheless.

I think Carmen Duncan was pretty well accepted as Iris on AW. The fact viewers knew Beverlee was not returning and Iris was such a dynamic character helped. Also the time b/w the two actresses helped and Carmen was a good actress also.

Brian Keith had mixed success over the years The Westerner 1960 13 episodes Family Affair 1966-71 Brian Keith Show /Little People 1972-74 Archer 1975 6 episodes Hardcastle & McCormick 1983-86 Pursuit of Happiness 1987-88 10 episodes Heartland 1989 10 episodes. Walter & Emily 1991-92 13 episodes

If it's written well they could get at least another year out of Hayley. The poisoning plot could go awry, she could be blackmailed by someone, she could blackmail Bill etc etc Not quite sure while the poison is still having no effect? And if Bill almost dies, what is her cover story? I wonder if the storytelling style is disenchanting some viewers eg characters not appearing for a week or so and their stories losing momentum.

You probably won't get much of an argument around here, apart from those stanning for the destiny couple Ashley/Andre. But at this point MVJ seems happy to keep them on. And a nitpicker observation- I wish they would stop using those establishing shots of mega mansions and then transitioning to small rooms with no coherent floorplans that in no way match the exterior. Maybe the establishing shots should be more closeup eg an entrance porch or just a portion of the house.

I guess the contract issues Bain and Landau had on MI might have caused them to be seen as troublesome? Maybe neither of them wanted to be tied down to a network series after all that went down?

Agree that keeping the Hawthornes in the background to be brought on later is a good strategy. It would be nice to see another family to contrast with the Duprees. Of course the issue is there is only a certain amount of budget and airtime available. So they can't keep adding characters. Doug was dropped and Isaiah arrived. Who do you think might possibly be next to go in the coming months?

Why they needed a wedding planner is beyond me...just to clear the furniture and brings in tons of flowers? Phyllis continually barging in because she lives upstairs, but we didn't see one other resident or guest popping in for a look see. I enjoyed it, but as pointed out it had zero relevance to anything going on in GC at the moment apart from Daniel/Tessa. Now we return to LA Noir and the AI threat.

I guess after Holly being a major player throughout the 70's, Marland felt that there weren't many options that appealed to him. He had stories and characters he wanted to explore and with MG's contract up it was a chance to make space for newbies. Over his tenure Marland dropped, through choice or circumstance ,Holly, Rita, Lucille, Ben, Elizabeth, Diane, Ann and other characters like Peter, Mark, Steve ,Barbara.

Robert Urich Bob & Carol...72 ABC SWAT 75/76 ABC Soap S1 77 ABC Tabitha 78 ABC Vegas 78- 81 ABC Galvilan 83 NBC Spencer for Hire 85-88 ABC American Dreamer NBC 90-91 Crossroads ABC 92-93 It Had to be You CBS 93 Lazarus Man TNT 96 Love Boat Next Wave 98-99 Emeril 2001 Would Urich hold the record for most primetime shows?

Ed was all about Holly and Rita in 1980. Then they both left and Ed pivoted towards Vanessa in 81. They split Jan 82 just in time for Maureen's arrival. Vanessa hooked up with Mar Evans in early 82.

On the subject of Bonanza, Lorne Greene's failed to land a hit series after 14 years on the show. Immediately following Bonanza's cancellation he starred in the short lived detective series Griff. Then Battlestar Galactica -78/79 Galactica 80 and Code Red 81/82.

@DRW50 Thanks for the clip. So much goes on BTS that we are not privily to. It would be interesting to hear from other sources about the situation. You would think before committing to a NY shoot they would have had a better handle on things. After a successful run following Dallas, CBS moved it to Wed @ 9 opposite Fall Guy and Facts of Life and it died and was off the air in weeks. It returned later to replace Knots Landing and did better, but I guess the whole situation had soured them on the show.

After The Waltons Ralph Waite did "The Mississippi" which did well as tryout show following Dallas but then got dumped Tues @8 where it limped along for a season. Were Waite and Learned both promised a show as inducement to stay with The Waltons?

Martin the congressman who is never at his office and throws a mention of the 'Education Bill' to his dad as evidence of his hard work while at the CC after a gym workout. If I were him I would be worried about re-election. The 2 nurses who chat and socialize all day. Vanessa the real estate mogul who never works but has time to socialize and scheme with a mobster. Nicole who never sees patients Eva who's doing a tremendous job at an office we never see Etc, etc They should have planned the structure better and have several characters working together be it the real estate office, Martin's office etc and planned sets for that.

Both Jessie 1984 and Peaceable Kingdom 1989 were big flops. However she did OK in TV movies and mini series. Tony Randall Hit series with The Odd Couple 70-75 Then Tony Randall Show ran for two seasons , 76-77,one on ABC and one on CBS. Love Sidney was next with a 2 season run on NBC 81-83

Eileen and Rod are fine but Maureen and Jaime Lyn??

They should have just called it 'Girl with a Gun'

I guess one factor in play is that the lead casts for those shows were already in their 40's or older when the shows debuted. But yes, the younger cast Charlene Tilton, William Moses, Jamie Rose, Kathleen Beller etc didn't land any other significant gigs. Lorenzo Lamas had a successful syndicated series with Renegade-5 seasons.