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Say what you will about Alyssa and Shannen, but I've always believed that Holly wasn't the one to be trusted. I can't tell you why - I have no evidence to back up this claim - but it's just a feeling that I've had about her going all the way back to "Picket Fences."

Well, I'll just sit back, wait and see who loses their [!@#$%^&*] and who doesn't when this girl gets cast as not-dead-after-all Karen:

Can't argue with you there, lol.

I can't recall who said it, but it's so true: they could have hired Adam Harrington to play nuJax instead. At least Jax still has connections on the canvas that could shake up storylines in meaningful ways.

ICAM, @titan1978.

Well, you can't get more 180 than Whole Foods Jagger, I suppose. BTW, @carolineg, Brenda recast:

Perhaps, if I had followed GH more closely at that time, and I had been more aware of those castings or recastings, I would have been outraged about that, too. Now that you have brought those to my attention, however - yeah, those instances were heinous as well.

I hope Olive Garden Jagger gets axed with them.

I'm sorry, I don't blame him taking the job, but yes. Fire him. If only because he shouldn't have been given the job in the first damn place.

Thank you! Thank you to you both! Look, I'm not trying to start an argument here. I've done enough of that on SON, lol. But I really think some of y'all are allowing your opinions about ASJ to color (no pun intended) your opinions about this particular recast. IMO, you don't need to be a fan of Jagger's or of ASJ's to see that what Frank Valentini has done here is nothing short of whitewashing, which is absolutely the wrong thing to do, especially in this day and age. Instead of holding him and the network accountable, however, you'd rather look the other way or prattle on about relatively trivial matters, like whether this means Jagger's son is coming to the show. So, then, you're totally okay if Frank were to decide one day to recast Jordan again with, say, Jessica Tuck or Melissa Archer. Got it. Thank you. You can't tell me that Frank couldn't have recasted Jagger with someone who was equally talented and Italian or Latino. That's bullshit and y'all know it. It sure as [!@#$%^&*] is off-putting. Thank you again, @carolineg! Nothing they might have planned for Jagger will excuse this casting. Nothing. Nothing against Adam Harrington either, but I wish enough of a fuss were raised to force ABCD to do something about this. Fire him, fire Frank, fire them both, I don't care, but do not allow this to go on unchallenged.

I definitely agree that one of EiE's biggest issues was that, with so many regular cast members, it was hard to write enough material for everyone and justify having them all under one roof at the same time. Eight might have been enough to fill their lives with love, but it was just too damn many to service on a weekly TV series that wasn't DALLAS or KNOTS LANDING.

No offense to anyone, but I don't think you can compare Great American Family Jagger replacing ASJ to Billy Warlock succeeding Sean Kanan as AJ.

Another example of a "tank job": CBS's "Kate & Allie." That show was a Top 10 hit before "The Cosby Show," something which isn't mentioned very often in the media, who likes to pretend that the sitcom was all but dead before Bill. (It was, but the fact that K&A did as well as they did in the ratings in 1983-84 doesn't fit their narrative so neatly, so it gets overlooked). Toward the middle of their six-season run, however, ratings began to soften. By the time Allie (Jane Curtin) remarried, at the end of the fifth season, I don't think the show was in the top 30 anymore, although I could be wrong about that. Nevertheless, in order to push the show closer to its' end, CBS moved K&A from Mondays to several places on the schedule, prompting Susan Saint James (Kate) to quip at one point during an interview on "Late Night with David Letterman" that it's somewhere on the schedule. Wow, I had no idea, lol! You know you're toast if you can't compete against "Webster," lol. It's a shame K&A got overshadowed by those shows, too. Even as a kid, I thought K&A was much better than WTB or GP. TCS might have been the juggernaut, but IMO, FT and K&A were better written. If Danny/Jonathan had had his way, this would have been the theme song:

I agree. As wonderful as Gladys Knight and Flip Wilson were and are, CBS must have been out of their minds to think they could lure away even a portion of Cosby's audience. What CBS should have done was what FOX ended up doing years later, when they counter-programmed with "The Simpsons." You figure out which demographic(s) the number-one show in that slot is not catering to and you give that audience their alternative. It might have been tricky to do in TCS' case, since TCS appealed to a wide swath of the country at that point, but I'm sure there were SOME viewers out there who weren't necessarily cottoning to TCS. (Hence, "Roseanne.")

And Charity Rahmer beats them both.

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I can...which scares me. Hence, the arrival of Trader Joe's Jagger. Exactly.

Do NOT give that man any ideas.

True, lol.

LOL!! I don't think any discussion on "Tank Jobs & Sabotages" would be complete without the ongoing nightmare that was CBS's erratic scheduling of "WKRP in Cincinnati."

I think it had. For one thing, Alyssa Milano and Danny Pintauro had grown up, so a lot of the "cute factor" that had helped the show in previous seasons was gone. (They attempted to recapture it by bringing on that foster kid for Tony and Angela, but it was clear from the beginning that that wasn't going work, so they wrote him out after a few episodes). For another, I think the novelty of its' role-reversal premise simply had worn off. By the final season, Tony was finishing his college education. It would have been ridiculous for him to remain as Angela's housekeeper after that, lol. IMO, "Cosby" never gelled the way "The Cosby Show" had. Each new season felt like a reboot to me. So you're the one who wrote all those letters to SOD! But seriously. I think I read somewhere that CBS changed TJ's time slot at least fifteen times throughout its' eleven-year run. Between that and not giving them the opportunity to tape a proper series finale, you really get the impression that CBS tried everything they could to kill the show. Makes me wish they had acknowledged the rainbow-colored elephant in the room and had Jonathan come out of the closet on the show.

The thing is, Alyssa Milano did Shannen Doherty a favor by getting her fired, because "Charmed" was such a wretched show.

I know I'm as uneducated as they come about these things, but I just don't understand why we need any limits on immigration.

The Trader Joe's bag in the trunk pretty much sums up everything.

I wouldn't be shocked if there were. Frank would cast Howarth to play Celia Quartermaine if he could. He'd just stick a wig on him and then tell him to wet his lips and werk his booty. But it was clear that ASJ was playing what Susan Lucci would call "an ethnic type."