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Thank you for explaining, Errol. So oooooo it's going to be VERY interesting to see how it will perform then. Kinda like modernized, but Old School Soap writing vs What Passes for Writing for Modern Times basically.

Surprisingly yes. lol. I don't mind meet cute. Moreso when it is played straight (which it has been) and not forced down my throat like GH...I mean another show likes to do in these kind of situations. For me, it dates back to original Billy and Mac on Y&R. But in terms of them...they are pretty harmless for now and definitely different than what we are getting on the canvas right now. Though tbf, I would rather Will mix it up with Lani (when I thought her name was Amy) than Electra and hope for a triangle since Lani was giving young vixen in her few appearances so far...not a stalker storyline. Too soon, too fast. Oh, really? Good to know. And yeah that is crazy given the setting of the show. At this point, it's a running joke. Really? Uh oh now. Surprisingly yes. lol. I don't mind meet cute. Moreso when it is played straight (which it has been) and not forced down my throat like GH...I mean another show likes to do in these kind of situations. For me, it dates back to original Billy and Mac on Y&R. But in terms of them...they are pretty harmless for now and definitely different than what we are getting on the canvas right now. Though tbf, I would rather Will mix it up with Lani (when I thought her name was Amy) than Electra and hope for a triangle since Lani was giving young vixen in her few appearances so far...not a stalker storyline. Too soon, too fast. Oh, really? Good to know. And yeah that is crazy given the setting of the show. At this point, it's a running joke. Really? Uh oh now.

Meh. Lazy quick cut. But at last...LULU.

The magic of Maury West, hunni!!! I also think he's gone. Now Violet...like Emma all the time before her...might pop up for a visit. Val on the other hand...too many mentions for my liking.

Which was not my goal so thank you. After the work weekend I just had, don't get me started on people and self-awareness. lol. But...agree. As a leader among the cast, I would at least had expected him to fake it a little bit. I've seen general managers give better face for a worker they clearly don't like than he gave.

Outside of her vixen turn and that fight with JB's Carly...okay and the elevator scene with TB's Carly...I agree about Sam. And I did like what PM was doing with Dante/Sam, but still agree. And God, I loved me sum Livvie. Yep. That face speaks volumes.

Thank you for saying this.

Very. I could see why fans would be irked. If he wanted to be disrespectful, all he would have to do was not show up at all. Not that I feel KM would care. Indeed.

So much. Ava has broken greater men. She be a maneater. lol. And then...he came across cray cray, she came across dumbfounded. And then that could have been played if the ending was the same. I was thinking you were one of the people that mentioned that. lol. Lack of coffee brain over here waiting for it to kick in. I still feel the same re: Maura/Ava. PM was wise to plan Val as the goal. It's a shame someone *cough*frank*cough* felt differently. Yeah, easily a bright spot. And I really thought Finn's spiral was great if slightly rushed. And now we have Frank teasing out a Val return and I just RME. lol. I love how you worded that.

Thank you for the list of the many times Frank has been petty in public because he really and truly has. Which I believe is more on him than on Disney. Not that KM helped her case. And I saw there was a video of KM's speech after her last scene I saw yesterday and felt it spoke volume. There she was being emotional, the cast was emotional, and there were tears and hugs. And as someone with a camera did a spin around the set, there was Frank front and center, looking annoyed and NOT clapping for her speech. Giving very much 'H@e why you here?'

Don't you meant a vanishing act, not a sh*tshow. The writing change definitely harmed that. Cuz as soon as CVE came back, Ava stopped being cunning and crafty. A shame because I was liking her with Wagger and how she had him wrapped around her little finger. They could have even had a flawed good guy/bad girl pairing there.

11-13 Meh. I admit that they almost had me. I thought they would spin Taylee off to a new tale after her talk with Brooke about not needing a man. Instead...more aroma therapy. RME. I do like the charming romance of Will/Electra so far. But alas, I feel that it's moving too fast with the stalker. Not that I dislike the idea of the stalker. But alas...

PREACH!!! FACTS!!! Hmmm...I never thought of that! They should have. The potential as usual was there. Amen.

Perhaps it was to the strength of Maury West as an actress that I bought all of that, but I liked that Ava was in an interesting position, and it was just luck that she winded up at Sonny as they were slowly tying her into the Sonny's Meds storyline. With Sonny isolating himself due to his paranoia and Ava having no one, I could believe that those two would be closer. And the story looked like it was getting a part duex until Natalia showed up...which in hindsight looks like a pushed agenda. That said...Ava getting jealous over it only to find out about the pills was highly believable to me. But I believed in the theory that Ava would have had a fall because so many people were gunning for her, but it was in the terms of the old school villain tale of a villain being caught, made to pay, and then having some redemption...but still allowed to have an edge. And I know the idea was mentioned by someone else that Ava knowing about the meds might have been her 'get out of jail free card' toward the aforementioned start to her redemption. But...woulda, shoulda, coulda. Completely lost.

11-15 Poor Billy. Don't care. AHA!!!! So Diane and Jack staged EVERYTHING!!! All to save Kyle. I like it when a story seems off, but you figure out what's going on. And it made for a great cliffhanger. And Sharon confessed!!! FINALLY!!! Of course, she would do it to Nick. No one makes befuddled look so sexy like Josh Morrow, but I still can't believe Sharon told him everything. It was great to see that yes, the original plan was that she was going to kill Daniel...something else I called. It kinda lessen the blow a bit knowing she's probably being manipulated by Ward/Jordan. I would have found it more believable if it was an alive Cameron since JG was toying with it clearly or even Daisy...back to get close to her daughter. I do look forward to seeing how this will turn out. I haven't mentioned her a lot this past week, but lol at Audra for our old school Y&R comic relief. Her dissing weddings in Genoa City a la Susan about Salem weddings on DAYS was funny. Just look at Abby's. And now this episode with the bouquet. lol. I do hope that is a sign that she is truly here to stay and there is a story assigned for her. Overall, that was a great week for Y&R with all these stories finally exploding after some built. The wedding itself. The spiral of Sharon. Diane's deception. They all had great turns in their stories. And with Ed Scott back, I'm ready to see the climax. Like I just said over in the GH threads, it's to the strength of the actress that I could believe in the character and what they were trying to do. JW sold that. I cared about her pain more than I cared about her son. He...had it coming.

11-14 Now THAT was a wedding. Another time to enjoy the couple with lovely words, great camera angles among the guests...it actually looked like it was bigger than what it was. And then some drama among the guests (Diane vs everybody, Billy vs Jill, keeping everyone oblivious) and outside of the wedding (the crash). And of course...a cliffhanger to get people to tune in. Another winner of an episode. Let me get this out of the way right now...I don't like the weakening of Jill, either. It worries me that it will be the last time we see Jess, and I'm not here for that at all. That said...Jess sold ALL of it. I actually got choked up with her vs Billy. Not for him of course. But for HER. A mother having to break her child's heart. Because no matter what she hoped for, Billy was going to be Billy. And his recent actions did not help. And long term, it does not seem like he would change, and the family's future had to be taken into account. That was so well done and sold by JW. And I liked her moment with Lily as well. And Victor getting his shot in at Billy. *chef's kiss* But...that was the thing I liked about the wedding. Victor's invisible pulling of the strings. From what was going on with Chancellor to his manipulation of Diane on to his good side as keeping everyone in the dark about the car crash. Nicely done. And just him and Nikki in team couple mode. And you can't have ED back in town without Ashley calling Diane a bitca. lol. Of course, but I loved all the Diane moments this episode. Her vs Jack. Kyle butting in irked me, but her having to fire him...hehe. I liked they held his reaction, too. And you all were right about that car crash. It looked so well done and executed. And the camera angles. Y&R really stepped up. And poor Sharon losing it. Was it wrong that I was hoping they did not get to Phyllis in time though? smh. And so...they are back. Le sigh. I hope Victor has a dungeon in the new house, too. hehe. But a solid cliffhanger.

Especially under these writers. You have a point. But they really should not have lost their momentum.

But there was so much momentum from that...starting from Kristina falling through Ava's window. Which actually also starting from Wagger's relationship with Ava. Built upon built upon built. And now...just the vapers. Howso? If anything, Ava had clear direction again...even if it was leading to her death or a redemption tale under a writer who would know how to do one and still keep Ava's edge.

So directionless that Wagger's murder upped and vanished.

I know that I have not at all missed the propping that the New/Old Writers have gotten back to.

Cool! You're not alone. re: semi-praying.

Woulda coulda shoulda.

Absolute gold. Those were a fun few weeks. And now...meh. But I haven't started this new week yet and there were some twitches of something last week. You remind me that I cannot wait to see how BTG vs GH go in the ratings if it turns out in some places they air at the same time. But I guess in some places it would be against B&B, right?

I so enjoyed Nina during that time so it's sad to see her as such an afterthought given so much is going on that does affect her. I meant to say it the other day when we were discussing Carly, but I noticed that, too. Carly really does not at all have anything going on. Which I found funny given isn't Korte the biggest Carly fan? Yet now that Lucky is home, she has nothing really going on other than the Slow-As-Molasses relationship with Brennan? How...unCarlylike. Yes, I've loved every minute of Liz being...if not front and center...then a more important player on the canvas. I can also say the same for Dante...who I also felt greatly benefited from PM giving his life more layers. Because I feel a lot of any feelings I have for Sam's death was greatly helped by PM deepening the Dante/Sam relationship as well as the feel of their blended family. I feel if this death still happened under PM, there would be a battle coming up on where the kids would go. There might still be one, given how Drew's been acting, but I do not feel it will be the same impact. Well, I definitely don't feel indifferent to Kristina. But I am no longer on her side, either. Credit where credit is due.

Very true. I might not have liked some changes as well, but at least I trusted that he knew what he was doing. Yeah, he performed a miracle by resurrecting a Maxie that people can connect to again. I agree as well. Drew could be a prick, but you at least saw the heat with Nina. And you could see them slowly respecting each other. Then you could see them slowly falling for each other. And they were sexy. There was even a basis for Drew/Willow. Now it just Drew just seems so creepy that it's ewww. Yeah, he performed a miracle by resurrecting a Maxie that people can connect to again. I agree as well. Drew could be a prick, but you at least saw the heat with Nina. And you could see them slowly respecting each other. Then you could see them slowly falling for each other. And they were sexy. There was even a basis for Drew/Willow. Now it just Drew just seems so creepy that it's ewww. Them miracles. I remember how over Nina and Drew were on here. Then PM came in and Nina got her claws back and Drew actually got more purpose as a prick. I could go on about his work on Ava for days. Alexis's journey was definitely a highlight for me. And...same re: Sonny worship.