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I'm actually liking pre-Thorne Macy a lot... she has an edge that the show sadly softened later on. One thing I will say I like about Bill Bell and the early years of Bold... is that he probably had intentions of pairing certain characters together.. but didn't telegraph it too much to the audience so when the characters did finally meet.. it made perfect sense. He did that with Brooke/Ridge in the early episodes (they don't meet till episode 60.. but hints were dropped of her interest in his/Caroline's engagement.. but from an eager bystander pov).. and he does that with Macy/Thorne as well. Developing Macy as a character first.. and getting Thorne to a point where it would make sense for the two to meet. And I do like in the early season 3 episodes where Donna is in limbo with school, life, love.. and than she meets Macy.. thus starting her character's eventually next orbit (Spectra.. I think)

Edmund... what a joke.. played by someone that made Kim Zimmer seem subtle. He should have been a brief stint villain and than killed off.

Jennifer on NJ is funny..but so deluded and sheltered. And I bet she was a mena girl. Jackie on NJ has a lot of issues from he child hood..just like Jennifer. Odd the two can't be friends.

Maternity leave..I think

I'd take vicki over Gina or Kellyyy. Kelly shouldn't be allowed on the show nor have access to her kid.

Episode 522 uploaded today... Macy's debut... I get a Mildred Pierce vibe between Sally and Macy in this episode. I think I'm going to enjoy watching Macy pre-Thorne (I think they don't even meet till she's been on a few months). I also liked Sally in this era... she wasn't campy at all like she became in the later years.

No..AW in late 80s and ATWT in late 80s were too different to compare. GL in late 80s was better than both of them:)

Problem was that the Dobsons tried to erase the years they weren't in charge... and it made viewers frustrated... much like Arena Bell did on Y & R.. trying to undo things instead of just moving forward.

I actually liked when the show was briefly revisiting Lily/Daniel when Cane 'died'... but rapid fanbases have caused a dilution of quality that soaps were once known for. In regards to Michael/Lauren... anywhere I've ever seen.. people have been wanting Lauren to break free of Michael so when she and Carmaine were paired.. some peeps were cool with it. Till the day my mom passed away, she held out hope that Paul/Lauren would reunite... and viewed Michael as a place holder LOL

Another world had too much energy and flash (a good thing)..Marland would have deluted it. Like @chrismlmentioned Swajeski had good ideas..but had trouble with pacing...but her individual episodes were top notch.. Marland could pace his shows with flair..but his individual episodes sucked (unrealistic dialogue..no one I knew ever talked that way). Shame Marland was a micro manager..cause he and Swajeski could have been a good pairing. Also, pat left too soon. Her visit in 1989 showed she had a lot to offer especially her exchange with her niece Olivia when she noted her interest in the much married Sam.

Flame...the one character I could have seen Pam Long write with abandon...passionate, smart, and a grey character. I'm surprised the Dobson's/Rauch didn't have a good handle on the character.

I wish the show would bring up the element of Jackie using Roseanne's family as a crutch from truly living her own life. Darlene was right that Jackie was/is still kind of a loser.. and Jackie was right that Darlene was trying to replace Roseanne (probably cause Roseanne kept saying that Darlene was so much like her... but I never thought Roseanne or Darlene were anything alike at all.. other than liking to write and making wisecracks).

She would have been the type of character Marland would have written well.. and I do agree that recasting her wouldn't have worked since she'd been on for 12 years.. and was the rare character that was both nice and interesting.

Personally... Leeanne deserves anything bad happening to her....She's had no problem acting like a lunatic on camera so if a few people want to discredit her business venture... go right ahead. Any sane person wouldn't buy anything that lunatic is associated with.

I don't know like Vicki..but I'd gladly have her back if it meantt Gina and Kelly went away. Now we know why Shannon isn't happy with Kelly..and I don't blame her

I hope we get to 522 and thereafter..that's when Macy debuts...and from what I hear..she had more of an edge pre Thorne.

I loved that Ramona folded like a deck of cards when Delores came to sit down and handed her logical rebuttals to Ramona's typical excuses. Vicki and Gizelle... watch how Delores handled Ramona during their beef squash.. take notes and study them.

I'm glad SLC was chosen... like @Catsaid..there is a lot under the surface there...and I'm sick of the housewife mold and am pretty pumped at something new being thrown in.

Real housewives of salt lake city..hmmm Hopefully they cast women not into botox or plastic surgery...I'd like a natural looking human on screen.

I do think killing off Donna's story was short-sighted.. because it was the only thing that existed outside of the Forrester orbit.... if I recall... I do think Donna ends up in the Spectra orbit eventually for awhile... while Katie makes several visits between 1989 and 1991.

I often find it's easier to do dramatic/serious moments than to do comedic moments. Comic timing is something you either have, or you don't have... and I often find it refreshing when a comedic actor plays something serious and dramatic (i.e. Robin Williams in Awakenings, Roseanne in the serious moments on her show, Whoopi goldberg in The Color purple, etc).

Eye roll...

With Kenya back.. why was Nene allowed back? After the attitude Nene had last season, bitch should have been demoted to a friend of... it did wonders for Vicki... maybe it would have worked for Nene. You need a boring housewife.. someone calm to balance out all the crazy. OC is missing that... and has missed that since Jeana left in season 5..tbh.

Oddly, I thought Jenson was a better Marley than Vicky especially when she first started. She almost regressed Vicky back to circa 1985 when she first started... Anne Heche had gradually matured Vicky while maintaining her more dramatic tendencies... while Jenson played Vicky like Ellen Wheeler did when she first started as Vicky.

I love this @Gray Bunny Non-OG That's Made the Biggest Impact To Their City: Sonya and Dorinda - NYC Kandi, Phaedra, Kenya, - ATL Tamra, Shannon - OC Melissa (ugh) - NJ Lisa Rinna, Brandi (sadly, I agree... for the worst) - BH Best One Hit Wonder: Lizzie - OC Kathryn - BH Kim Fields Atlanta - Kim vs Kenya all season and the reunion was everything Worst One Hit Wonder: The Twins - NJ (Teresa and Nicole???I) Amber- NJ Carlton a.k.a. Witchy-Poo - BH Best Return: Bethenny Frankel to New York Most Disappointing Return: Lydia to OC Nene to Atlanta Most Ironic Taglines: hmmmm not sure . Housewvies you wish were one and done: Dorit- BH Brandi- BH Kelly Dodd - OC Messiest Housewives (In A Good Way): I never think of being messy as a good thing Messiest Housewives (In A Bad Way): Lisa Rinna, BH Dorit, BH Kelly Dodd, OC Most Missed Housewives: Jeana - OC Don't EVER Return Again Housewives: Kim Zolciak, ATL Jacqueline Laurita, NJ Gretchen Rossi, OC Worst Sham of a Marriage: Aren't all of them? Most Improved Show: Real Housewives of Orange County (they're messy, yet are owning it.. so I can't fault them) Most Disappointing Show: Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Best Show: Real Housewives of New York City