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Finally..Ny will be free to become an ensemble again! I just wish these ladies would share moe about their lives and not hang out so much with one another. The show needs new blood..but these women are more viperish to newbies than other cities are..so It becomes stagnant

If true....hmmmm.. https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/bethenny-frankel-exit-real-housewives-221528191.html

These reunion looks in general are tacky and over the top. Whatever happened to just wearing a simple black or red dress? Beverlyy Hill needs a cast shake up...and if Andy were smart..he'd look at how OC reinvented itself in season 9 with the addition of Shannon ( if the show gets a season 15, they need to ax Gina..no one likes her..but I do love karma being a bitch to her after the way she went after Shannon in season 13..did she not see what happened to Heather after she did the same thing to her in season 9?)

Oddly in the 1st half of season 13...Val was actually written in character dealing with being a newlywed, helping a waitress learn to read, an arguing with Gary over his obsession with the Tidal Wave project (shades of season 3 all over again).

OC isn't like NY or Atlanta...in that you have to have a strong personal story going on. Vicki might have stirred up drama..but she doesn't have the family element anymore since Briana lives out of state and doesn't want to film..and Michael isn't keen on that either. I think she pulled a Gretchen and got engaged just to secure a place. With that said, why wasn't Gina demoted or fired? She's divorcing, I guess her kids can't appear much anymore, has no job, etc. She offers nothing herself. Emily would have been a natural in the earlier seasons...marriage shaky, career, colorful relatives, and a laid back personality. Kelly needs to pull a Tammy knickerbocker and leave the show. He daughter Joie looks miserable and doesn't want to be filmed/featured. You can see her saying this to Kelly...and Kelly blaming Vicki when she is also to blame. Her and Tamra are so alike. Shannon and her daughters...I'd so watch a spinoff special especially with Archie featured. They are the bright spot. New girl Bronte...7 kids..husband that is kind of hot..and a Betsy Johnson lookalike mom...lots of story there

Is there anything you do like? Lol I liked it, but I can see why others wouldn't

I liked this...I look at this like an alternate reality like the movie Sliding Doors.

I am glad NY is done for the season...Dorinda and Bethenny are too toxic for me. I miss when the show was about their lives..and they didn't have contrived gatherings. To me, NY is all pretty surface and nothing more. OC, on the other hand, has always had the family element...though I wish they cast housewives with teen and young adult kids like in the early years. And I relate to the whole Maga/anti Maga situation. It happens in real life and this is a reality show. I'd rather they share than be like Bethenny and Ramona..who hide most of their lives from the camera. Still...I like that the housewife shows have their own identity and format so it appeals to different audiences.

I would have dumped Gina and kept Emily. Vicki will play a big part in he show...but OC, like NJ, has always been more family oriented...and Briana isn't on anymore and Mike doesn't want to be on...so I could see why she was demoted. I like seeing the kids to reinforce my choice of not pro creating is a smart one lol

Tamra vs Kelly on Twitter, Gina looking washed out with that hair color, and vicki demoted. Season 14 is off to an eventful start

I do love the families are still in the intro...same with Jersey. I love that Archie is included in Shannon's intro card

Was there anyone Frost's Betsy had chemistry with?

So tori spelling is hurt that she's not been asked to be a housewife on Beverly Hills..yet Jennie Garth was asked 2 years ago..and turned them down...hmmm

Katie found out about Rocco liking her sister Donna instead of her. Oddly, Donna tried to downplay Katie being upset..and how tortured Rocco was. Some things never change...Katie was dumped on just as much in 1988 as she is now in 2019. .

I figured betsy and Steve benefited from not making up.and breaking up all the time...like what happened to Josh/Reva and Luke/Laura. They broke up and never got back together...so they were more a tragic super couple..imho

Were the Marshall's estranged as a family?

I think Scott Reeves fit in during the early 90s..but I think by the late 90s, he didn't fit in. When Alden took over in 1998, she changed the pacing and tone of the show...what characters do you think no longer fit...that fit in duing Bell's era of writing?

Which actor played Etthan best? Travis played the sheltered rich kid to perfection, but Eric played up the more intense and smoldering aspects that of Ethan..imho

Most sane people.should avoid WWHL.

The early years of OC till season 6 had a lot of breaking the 4th wall.

Same with gretchen on OC...she did the same thing..but on a smaller scale. Oddly Gretchen is actually doing things in her life, but she burned her bridges. I'm just excited for OC to start and Vicki is demoted

I'm in the minority but NY needs new blood...it's the same thing season after season.

Bethenny such a professional victim.

I think BH would benefit from less group filming..and more of an individual narrative. As a joke, on Twitter I said anytime Kyle annoys you..to take a shot...and peeps responded by saying they'd be drunk in five minutes lol

It was more true to life. I liked that aspect cause you never knew when/or if characters would be into one another (i.e. nikki and victor in 1981, Nina and Ryan in 1992, etc)