10 minutes ago, vetsoapfan said:

TGL's Beth Raines inexplicably went from a sweet and shy heroine under Judi Evans to a tic-ridden, sofa-humping harpy shrew under Beth Chamberlin. Her behavior when the character was in San Cristocrap, for example, was mind-numbingly ridiculous.

Vincent Irrizary mentioned it in the reunion with Alan and Judi Evans.

51 minutes ago, MinnaH said:

For B&B, add Thomas Forrester and Sheila Carter to that list.

 

Thomas I can agree with, but Sheila? 

How do you think that Sheila Carter's character was assassinated? How do you even perform character assassination on a psychopath?  

Would B&B's Stephanie fall in this category? Bill Bell wrote her as a Jennifer/Katherine/Vanessa hybrid and Bradley Bell wrote her as a female Victor.

37 minutes ago, Soapsuds said:

Vincent Irrizary mentioned it in the reunion with Alan and Judi Evans.

 

Really? Was his take on the transformation critical?

 

Did Judi Evans talk much about Grant Aleksander? I'll never forget that long-ago interview she did for Soap Opera Digest when she acknowledged how disgusting his behavior towards her was.

8 minutes ago, vetsoapfan said:

 

Really? Was his take on the transformation critical?

 

Did Judi Evans talk much about Grant Aleksander? I'll never forget that long-ago interview she did for Soap Opera Digest when she acknowledged how disgusting his behavior towards her was.

He said Beth was a totally different character under Chamberlain and unrecognizable.

 

Vincent and Judi were asked to describe Grant and both had the same answer...I think they said intense. Judi had more glowing love for John Bolger who was the recast Phillip.

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59 minutes ago, JellicleCat said:

 

Thomas I can agree with, but Sheila? 

How do you think that Sheila Carter's character was assassinated? How do you even perform character assassination on a psychopath?  

Last I checked she had gone from poisoning and shooting people to refilling water glasses... 🤨

30 minutes ago, Soapsuds said:

He said Beth was a totally different character under Chamberlain and unrecognizable.

 

Vincent and Judi were asked to describe Grant and both had the same answer...I think they said intense. Judi had more glowing love for John Bolger who was the recast Phillip.

 

 I agree with VI's assessment of Nu Beth.

 

And describing GA as "intense" does not say a great deal, but can be interpreted in a few different ways.

 

Thanks for the info.

7 minutes ago, vetsoapfan said:

 

 I agree with VI's assessment of Nu Beth.

 

And describing GA as "intense" does not say a great deal, but can be interpreted in a few different ways.

 

Thanks for the info.

Vincent said it took him a while to realize Chamberlain was playing Beth because the character had changed so much.

 

Michael OLeary was described as funny by both and Vincent said Michael was also cheap too which led to Judi bursting in laughter. 

1 hour ago, Soapsuds said:

Vincent said it took him a while to realize Chamberlain was playing Beth because the character had changed so much.

 

Michael OLeary was described as funny by both and Vincent said Michael was also cheap too which led to Judi bursting in laughter. 

 

LOL! Alan must have had a stroke hearing Vincent saying that. He seems to loathe actors saying anything even remotely controversial or "negative." I haven't been watching most of the interviewers because I find Alan to be an unbearably awful host.

2 hours ago, JellicleCat said:

 

Thomas I can agree with, but Sheila? 

How do you think that Sheila Carter's character was assassinated? How do you even perform character assassination on a psychopath?  

I think when she left B&B the first time, those first two returns ruined her. Turning her into a murderer was a mistake. It was too dark. I think B&B did a good job of redeeming her with edge and she was a viable character could’ve come and gone to stir things up, but they went to far. Then Y&R demolished her with their horrible attempts in the 00s. I will say her most recent B&B stint did a good job of redeeming her, but they didn’t do anything useful with her. Where were her daughters? A love interest? She just languished the entire year. It was *such* a good return too. 

33 minutes ago, vetsoapfan said:

 

LOL! Alan must have had a stroke hearing Vincent saying that. He seems to loathe actors saying anything even remotely controversial or "negative." I haven't been watching most of the interviewers because I find Alan to be an unbearably awful host.

Actually Alan had no choice but to laugh too. 

4 hours ago, vetsoapfan said:

TGL's Beth Raines inexplicably went from a sweet and shy heroine under Judi Evans to a tic-ridden, sofa-humping harpy shrew under Beth Chamberlin. Her behavior when the character was in San Cristocrap, for example, was mind-numbingly ridiculous.

How was Chamberlain received during her initial ‘89-‘91 run? I think one of the lowest moments for Beth was her having sex with Jeffrey O’Neill in a Japanese restaurant(!) before the show just kind of stopped writing for Beth for a couple years.

3 hours ago, soapfan770 said:

How was Chamberlain received during her initial ‘89-‘91 run? I think one of the lowest moments for Beth was her having sex with Jeffrey O’Neill in a Japanese restaurant(!) before the show just kind of stopped writing for Beth for a couple years.

 

All I remember was viewers resisting her, and complaining that she was not the "real" Beth.

 

UGH! Jeffrey, another useless character who never should have received so much airtime on the show. Between the mob, San Cristocrap, and all the idiotic Reva stories, the show was doomed.

8 hours ago, vetsoapfan said:

TGL's Beth Raines inexplicably went from a sweet and shy heroine under Judi Evans to a tic-ridden, sofa-humping harpy shrew under Beth Chamberlin. Her behavior when the character was in San Cristocrap, for example, was mind-numbingly ridiculous.

Unpopular opinion here, but I liked Beth's transformation and found it totally explicable, given all the trauma the character had been through (including sexual abuse and kidnapping). Of course, it goes against the genre conventions of soaps, where the ingenue heroine endures this kind of trauma every few months but remains the same "sweet" person throughout (rather than becoming jaded and defensive like any real person would be). I think Chamberlain played her character's brittleness and coldness as a psychological defense mechanism, the result of a woman who had been deeply hurt too many times and refused to get hurt again. And to me it made perfect sense. 

Speaking of final years, with Guiding Light, who was responsible for Ross's death? Rick, Phillip?