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2 hours ago, Chris B said:

I’m completely disgusted by Y&R’s Best Show Emmy won last night. They submitted the Kristoff St. John memorial episodes, which were excellent and featured a mostly black cast leading story. These actors are good enough for Emmy bait, but not good enough to lead story? After Kristoff’s memorial they all went off screen or to the back burner. They should’ve submitted episodes with the mostly white cast who actually got screentime. 

 

I absolutely agree with you. I couldn't believe my own eyes. It's insulting. I'm disgusted too.

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2 hours ago, Chris B said:

I’m completely disgusted by Y&R’s Best Show Emmy won last night. They submitted the Kristoff St. John memorial episodes, which were excellent and featured a mostly black cast leading story. These actors are good enough for Emmy bait, but not good enough to lead story? After Kristoff’s memorial they all went off screen or to the back burner. They should’ve submitted episodes with the mostly white cast who actually got screentime. 

It’s awful.  This wasn’t a special episode because they wanted to do something outside the box or celebrate an anniversary.  It was because an important person passed away.

 

Submitting these episodes for an award was already crass.  It’s also exploitative.  They didn’t honor their Black characters enough when he was alive, and they haven’t since this funeral.

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On 6/2/2020 at 12:34 PM, teplin said:

The justly maligned Corinne Jacker run on AW had one plus, IMO -- the introduction of very strong black roles played by some pretty awesome actors (Morgan Freeman! Howard Rollins Jr.! Joe Morton! Robert Christian! Jackee Harry! Petronia Paley!). IIRC, they were pretty well integrated into the larger cast while maintaining their own agency and motivations as characters. Unfortunately, their storylines were not exactly gripping, and many of them were gone within a couple years. I have no idea what black viewers thought of them -- the soap press didn't seem eager to explore that angle. And I don't think AW ever had a big black audience.

 

About the only good thing Corrine Jacker did was integrate Another World's Bay City.  The actors were certainly talented, but they were given typical soap storylines.  AW also gave several recurring  dayplayer parts to African American actors when Bob and Henrietta's son, RJ, got involved with gang members.  I believe if AW's ratings had increased with the integrated cast, then more shows would have integrated their casts at the time.   It would take until 1989 for NBC to attempt this integration again with Generations.  

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5 hours ago, Chris B said:

I’m completely disgusted by Y&R’s Best Show Emmy won last night. They submitted the Kristoff St. John memorial episodes, which were excellent and featured a mostly black cast leading story. These actors are good enough for Emmy bait, but not good enough to lead story? After Kristoff’s memorial they all went off screen or to the back burner. They should’ve submitted episodes with the mostly white cast who actually got screentime. 

 

It's sad that people will still tune into this show when new episodes start back up again, knowing full well the show marginalized KSJ in his final years on the show, then proceeded to squelch their talented black actors and has (successfully) exploited all of them to score an Emmy, without a second thought to how badly this makes Y&R look.

At least there should be no doubt where their intentions are. Viewers can no longer claim ignorance in their complicity.

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FINALLY MADE IT THROUGH!!! YAY!!!

 

SO... @Khan, thank you for giving me life in this thread. I lived.

 

This has definitely given me food for thought but worth talking about.  It did make me think about Y&R Neil. When I was earlier, it did feel like William Bell did want to see Neil stand on his own two feet. He ran Newman for a time. Then he went to run Jabot for a time. It was kinda sad that while he did become independently wealthy vs being Victor's right hand that we never really saw that feeling of achievement because I remembered that was part of his drive at one point...to be his own person with his own company. I am sure that someone who knows the history better than me can explain it better.

 

What did Kristian Alfonso do? I admit to be afraid of the answer, but hey...I'm grown.

 

It was pre-me here so I have to ask who is SWSNBN that Toup AND Errol have the name barred. Is it a specific writer for a specific magazine by chance or am I off based? You can PM me. ;) 

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22 hours ago, victoria foxton said:

 

 Has anyone started a Fire Melissa Reeves from DAYS online petition?!  Time Missy Reeves getsfired and Jennifer Horton Deveraux a new face!!

 

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The irony of watching all these Y&R classic repeats, many of which have Victoria Rowell as Dru and Scott Reeves as Ryan, some in the same episode. It's like I must watch and can't watch at the same time.

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I wonder if VR will have guests on her podcasts? If she could get Stephanie E. Williams, Tonya Lee Williams and Tamara Tunie and Tonya Pinkins, etc. to talk about their daytime experiences...that would be a hot ticket!  I really want someone to interview those actresses because I don't think anyone's asked them about their experiences in daytime in the last decade or more.

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10 minutes ago, BetterForgotten said:

She mentions Ellen Holly in that clip. I’d love an hour with her and Ms. Holly. 
 

 

When OLTL 2.0 was on the web as a TOLN soap, I had this image of Corbin Blue's character being connected to Carla, perhaps her grandson and VR would play his mother but I knew no one in daytime was brave enough to do it. Perhaps if PP hadn't been such a structural mess, the idea might have stood a chance.

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16 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

I wonder if VR will have guests on her podcasts? If she could get Stephanie E. Williams, Tonya Lee Williams and Tamara Tunie and Tonya Pinkins, etc. to talk about their daytime experiences...that would be a hot ticket!  I really want someone to interview those actresses because I don't think anyone's asked them about their experiences in daytime in the last decade or more.

I tweeted something similar like this a few weeks ago. I hope she does get to interview them and they go in depth with their experiences as black women in the medium. I know Alan Locher reached out to Tamara Tunie twice and both times she said no. So maybe Victoria will have better luck. 

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