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17 hours ago, I Am A Swede said:

The malaria comparison might not have been the most relevant, but the point I was trying to make was that it feels like everyone's panicking over this. It's not the bubonic plague. Entire countries shutting down, closing borders, cancelling all sporting events, restaurants, theatres and cinemas closing etc....

In Norway, Denmark and Sweden together we've had somewhere between 2,500 and 3000 confirmed cases so far, and 5 deaths combined. All of them elderly people with prior health issues.

It's not a death sentence if you catch this virus, but people are acting like it is. For the vast majority it will probably be like a bad case of the flu, or even less than that.

I'm not saying we should completely ignore it, of course not, but let's not get carried away.

 

17 hours ago, DRW50 said:

I think part of this is because of poor leadership making people feel they have no real hope or answers. The UK and the US have abominably bad leaders, as does Australia. 

 

Agree.  On both counts.

 

Above all else, people need to remain calm.  However, when you see people raiding grocery store shelves for things like toilet paper (!?), or going online and spreading misinformation, conspiracy theories and doomsday advice, it isn't easy to do.  I struggle daily with depression- and anxiety-related issues, so the LAST thing someone like ME needs to see is other people panicking and acting irrationally, because that just amplifies my own issues.

 

My advice: if you're feeling overloaded emotionally by all the information (and "information") that keeps coming out about this virus, then do yourself a favor and "unplug" from social media and the news for awhile.  The CDC and WHO have issued all the precautions you need to take to help you (and your loved ones) deal with this problem.

 

16 hours ago, xtr said:

I also saw someone on Twitter say that their friend bought 14 cases of water.

 

Okay, why are people hoarding bottled water?  Has the CDC/NIH/WHO warned us not to use tap water?

 

Meanwhile, at every grocery store I've gone to, hand soaps (some anti-bacterial, some not), body washes, shampoos/conditioners and deodorants languish on the shelves.

 

People REALLY need to stop and think, lol.

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It's about HOARDING. You don't need 144 rolls of tp for a 2 week quarantine, if you so, then you best be seeing a different kind of doctor.

 

I thankfully have enough TP to get by for now, but every store is SOLD OUT.

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15 hours ago, xtr said:

I do think that a lot of people are concerned because there doesn't seem to be a real plan and it's causing them to really panic. Plus, they may feel like information is being withheld. It seems like a lot of places are on a bit of a shutdown for at least a couple of weeks. I'm curiously as to what the plan is afterwards. What is the governments ultimate goals here. What exactly would be an acceptable response/outcome for many people in the general public. People say they want to slow this virus down. But how much does it need to slow down to have them end shutdowns? (I wonder about this while I see tweets on Twitter, of people acting like everyone is going to be in danger/almost everybody could die, because someone decides to sit down in a restaurant to eat. See the Red Robin trend on Twitter, right now)  Or prevent things from being shutdown longer.

 

I believe that 49 people have died so far. What if at least few more people die after some of these shutdowns happen? (Which is likely). Goodness forbid if it's several. Regardless of what people do, the mortality rate on this is not going to be 0%, before or after the shutdowns are over. I think that people need to be realistic and honest about things. It's good to be careful, but things can't be shut down forever. I think that if Trump's response had been more like Obama's was to the swine flu, people would feel better. But a lot of them feel scared and unsure and it's causing them to really panic. 

 

ICAM.  I don't knock those who choose to self-quarantine out of concern for others.  IMO, protecting the elderly and immunity-compromised should be our top priority right now.  But, on the other hand, we can't shut down everything forever, or even for an extended period of time (meaning, more than a couple of weeks).  At some point, we'll need to know what to do next.

 

Unfortunately, I don't believe our current administration will have the answers.  It'll have to be up to our state and local governments -- just as it has been thus far -- to inform us when it's okay to resume some semblance of our normal routines.

 

4 minutes ago, dragonflies said:

You don't need 144 rolls of tp for a 2 week quarantine, if you so, then you best be seeing a different kind of doctor.

 

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This jerk now claims that he will likely donate his stockpile, backtracking from his previous assertion that he would try to sell the items locally, which is also a backtrack from his initial excuses that he was providing a public service by buying up all the local stock and selling items on Amazon for jacked up prices. Now that Amazon (who themselves bowed to intense public scrutiny and criticism for providing a platform for price gouging) and Ebay have blocked price gougers like this guy, he's changing his tune.

An utter lack of ethics all around.

 

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6 hours ago, DRW50 said:

 

 

This is going to get so much worse thanks to Trump and his band of dumbasses continuing to make rash decisions with no plans and no proper followup.

 

If we end up re-electing that a-hole in November after THIS mess, then I'm perfectly prepared to stow away on a boat or plane, leave behind my loved ones and head for a nation with more responsible leaders.  Seriously.  I'm not gonna f**king die, because my fellow Americans are a rotten electorate.

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3 hours ago, DRW50 said:

I'm glad that the new governor of Oklahoma is just as committed to being the absolute worst as Mary Fallin was.

 

 

 

Kevin Stitt is our state's answer to Donald Trump.  He, too, keeps proving how incompetent he is at leading people.

 

When the CDC and the local media reported that we had 2-3 positive cases of coronavirus, Gov. Stitt dragged his feet on closing our schools, claiming he wanted to see more evidence of community spreading before taking such action.  (Friend/former high school classmate: "If you see community spreading, it's already too late.").  Schools did close, of course, but I think they did so independently of his judgment.

 

26 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

This jerk now claims that he will likely donate his stockpile, backtracking from his previous assertion that he would try to sell the items locally, which is also a backtrack from his initial excuses that he was providing a public service by buying up all the local stock and selling items on Amazon for jacked up prices. Now that Amazon (who themselves bowed to intense public scrutiny and criticism for providing a platform for price gouging) and Ebay have blocked price gougers like this guy, he's changing his tune.

An utter lack of ethics all around.

 

Here's my question: where did he get the money to BUY all that stuff?  I mean, he somehow purchased 17,000 bottles of hand sanitizer, while Mama Khan and I are out here, with our maxed-out credit cards, clipping coupons for free haircuts (and looking like [!@#$%^&*] in the process).  That just does not seem fair.

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11 minutes ago, Khan said:

 

If we end up re-electing that a-hole in November after THIS mess, then I'm perfectly prepared to stow away on a boat or plane, leave behind my loved ones and head for a nation with more responsible leaders.  Seriously.  I'm not gonna f**king die, because my fellow Americans are a rotten electorate.

 

If I could I probably would too (although at this point I don't think anybody wants us unless we're packing Jeff Bezos type cash).

 

I was just thinking about what you said about not focusing so much on social media. I've seen some beautiful images recently, from people in Spain and Italy showing solidarity, yet all I see with Americans is so many dumbasses who are bragging about going out.

 

 

 

So many people here just don't care. They are so nihilistic, they've given up. They don't care if they die and they don't care if we die. If you don't see this, you see those idiots who go on Twitter talking about boomer removers or even bragging about how their 9 or 10 year old children are talking about boomer removers. 

 

This country is so full of sick people, days like today it's hard to have any hope. All I can hope is that these monsters are in a minority and not able to do real damage.

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I've been glancing through the posts that I've missed in this growing thread, mainly to make sure that I'm not duplicating a post that someone has already posted previously (which seems to be happening quite a bit in this thread) and am seeing some comparisons between China and South Korea?  Really? I hope not. You cannot compare S. Korea, a democratic country with 51 million people to China, an autocratic country with 1 billion people. It's absurd. S. Korea has been doing some things that all countries should be replicating like testing many people every day (on average Korea was testing at least 10,000 people per day, employing accessible testing mechanisms like drive-through testing at specialized off-site locations but even the way S. Korea was able to trace members of that cult/church to locate people from testing is something that also made use of S. Korea's technology and culture (the head of that church was made to come in public, bow and issue a public apology as well as a promise to cooperate with the authorities) is not easily employed in other countries.

There are definitely things that the Western/rich countries have to learn from smaller countries, particularly ones that have endured other pandemics and epidemics and health crises but please recognize the cultural, political and historical differences that differentiate countries and their methods for addressing crises.

 

More testing though, is definitely something that every country should be doing.  If the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere can manage to do this, the U.S. definitely has no excuse to at least ramp up testing. Then again, people in Haiti still have vivid memories of the deadly cholera outbreak that occurred in the wake of the 2010 earthquake caused by U.N. peacekeeping forces dumping waste into rivers and streams, infecting the water system.

 

9 minutes ago, Khan said:

Here's my question: where on earth did this guy get the money to BUY all that stuff?  I mean, he somehow purchased 17,000 bottles of hand sanitizer, while Mama Khan and I are out here, with our maxed-out credit cards, clipping coupons for free haircuts (and looking like [!@#$%^&*] in the process).  For some reason, that just does not seem fair.

 

It's in the article. He had already been a third party seller on Amazon before he decided to buy "pandemic" surplus supplies from a local outfit that had gone out of business. Having gotten away with initial sales, he and his brother decided to ramp up the search for more supplies but was shut out by Amazon, who shut his online reseller outfit down.

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7 minutes ago, dragonflies said:

Is it wrong I hope that guy's employer sees what trash he is by doing that and fires his ass

 

Chances are, though, Matt Colvin will just end up on "The Bachelor" or "Big Brother."

 

14 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

It's in the article. He had already been a third party seller on Amazon before he decided to buy "pandemic" surplus supplies from a local outfit that had gone out of business. Having gotten away with initial sales, he and his brother decided to ramp up the search for more supplies but was shut out by Amazon, who shut his online reseller outfit down.

 

Yeah, I read that.  But, he managed to have enough cash on hand to make that big of a purchase?  He made THAT kind of money being a third party seller?

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17 minutes ago, Khan said:

Chances are, though, Matt Colvin will just end up on "The Bachelor" or "Big Brother."

 

Yeah, I read that.  But, he managed to have enough cash on hand to make that big of a purchase?  He made THAT kind of money being a third party seller?

 

There was a NYT article some months back about some people who were actually able to make a full-time business selling on Amazon's marketplace.  So, depending on what they're selling, yeah, I do think it is possible to make that kind of money...for now. This could change since 3rd party sellers have recently been getting a poor reputation for often being linked with selling counterfeit goods.

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