Hmmm....

 

 

    How does Ryan/Kevin work without Mac, Felicia and Lucy (not to mention Audrey?) under ValenVarni's Supervision? How does Laura fit in?   ---    #fireFrank

Edited August 2, 20187 yr by slick jones

5 minutes ago, KMan101 said:

 

I love this post. I'm right there with you on all of this.

 

That's what I meant about Sonny and Brenda. It's just more believable to me, with them as characters, that they'd self-sabotage their relationship and have this push and pull thing. That's a super couple. It's just always felt forced with Carly over the last several years. And you're right, they just decided to use Carly. They didn't really care either way. But the writing makes a lot more sense for Brenda, in some regards, and Carly in other regards. It would have all worked a lot better with Brenda, and a lot of the Carly stuff would work better with her and Jax. Missed opportunities.

 

And you explained exactly why I've felt the way I felt. If they were truly writing for the characters they'd know as well as we do a lot of it doesn't make sense for them. You really described why Jax and Carly made perfect sense, and they do. Just like Sonny and Brenda work far better with the "supercouple writing" than Carson do.

 

I just don't think soaps take that time anymore to build towards something.  Budgets have changed, timing, etc. We believe Sonny and Brenda because they built us up to that.  They successfully built that S/B/J triangle to the point where we were like who does she chose?  Couples just have sex now and are in love.  S/B are remembered for being on fire chemistry wise, but they dated for a long time before even having sex. 

Early Carson had some great writing, but it was more we are both awful people we should just be together sort of thing.   Carly and Brenda are two completely different characters that I think writers feel are interchangeable-the same with early Sam.  You can't just replace one with another because they look alike or know the same people.  Brenda has always been put on a pedestal by Jax and Sonny while Carly is the more 'real' ride or die girl... They have made them two caricatures.  Brenda, the needy, flighty,  spoiled princess, that everyone truly loves and Carly, the tough, loyal girl who worked up from nothing.

I have said before Carly and Brenda should just drop men and rule the world together.

48 minutes ago, SteelCity said:

I was so hoping for Carly and Nik! Apparently LW was very excited too, but they were put to pasture. I was not pleased. I had no idea that Napoleon Corthinos was the real reason for the kibosh. That makes me so annoyed! No actor should dictate story, barring any specific certain circumstances!

I also really liked Claudia and Nikolas, but of course they ruined that too.

The thing with Sonny and Carly not being that super couple they want us to think that they are is so true.  And for me, it’s because the groundwork was

laid for her to have that relationship with Jason, not Sonny.  And because Burton played against the writing due to his personal feelings, it looked onscreen like Sarah’s Carly was deeply, painfully in love with someone that wouldn’t love her back.

 

The show played it like Jason and Carly were the couple.  Her and Sonny having sex the first time was painful to Jason and damaged all their relationships.  He raised Michael.  He saved her from one mistake after another.  She hated all his girlfriends.

 

I also think Burton had better chemistry with all three of the major Carly’s.  I’m not even a big fan of his, but he has generated more heat with his costars.

 

Sonny in the 1990’s was a completely different character.

Edited August 10, 20187 yr by titan1978

6 minutes ago, titan1978 said:

 

The thing with Sonny and Carly not being that super couple they want us to think that they are is so true.  And for me, it’s because the groundwork was

laid for her to have that relationship with Jason, not Sonny.  And because Burton played against the writing due to his personal feelings, it looked onscreen like Carly was deeply, painfully in love with someone that wouldn’t love her back.

 

The show played it like Jason and Carly were the couple.  Her and Sonny having sex the first time was painful to Jason and damaged all their relationships.  He raised Michael.  He saved her from one mistake after another.  She hated all his girlfriends.

 

I also think Burton had better chemistry with all three of the major Carly’s.  I’m not even a big fan of his, but he has generated more heat with his costars.

 

Sonny in the 1990’s was a completely different character.

 

But I never bought Jason and Carly either even though that's what the writing looked to be headed towards.  I am probably the one and only diehard Jason/Robin fan...

Carly messed that all up.  Although I do believe Carson was just a whim the writers had one day that caught on.

I do think Sbu generates more chemistry with his co stars.  MB fell into a VM pairing and literally built his career around it.

Edited August 10, 20187 yr by carolineg

34 minutes ago, carolineg said:

 

I do think Sbu generates more chemistry with his co stars.  MB fell into a VM pairing and literally built his career around it.

I also credit Luke.  He was well used in Luke & Laura’s story orbit after the Karen story, with Frank Smith and the club, and back then that mattered.  He had a lot of charisma and was clearly talented at playing tortured.  Stone and Brenda sealed the deal.

 

Back then, I liked Sonny.  But I loved Stone and Brenda.  

Actors shouldn't dictate stories but, on GH, it has been done for ages. Maurice Benard has dictated story, Anthony Geary has dictated story...heck, ironically, Tyler Christopher who likely had Carly/Nik pulled because Maurice dictated story was rumored to have requested to be paired with then-girlfriend Natalia Livingston, thus putting the kibosh on Zander/Emily and the quick exit of Andrea Pearson's recast Gia Campbell.

 

So I really don't feel for any of them. I do agree they should just STFU and act and let the writers write.

 

2 hours ago, titan1978 said:

I also credit Luke.  He was well used in Luke & Laura’s story orbit after the Karen story, with Frank Smith and the club, and back then that mattered.  He had a lot of charisma and was clearly talented at playing tortured.  Stone and Brenda sealed the deal.

 

Back then, I liked Sonny.  But I loved Stone and Brenda.  

 

I agree to an extent.  Luke didn't make or break Sonny.  MB had great chemistry Luke, Lucky, and Laura, but I still think Sonny and Brenda made one another.  VM might have lasted longer due to her chem with SK's AJ or SBu's  Jason, but I don't think MB would of.  He was tanking with pairings left and right with Lily and Karen.  And was a mobster/strip club owner.  Stone/Robin gave him something, but I think he would have been out after that.  He was a short term character that caught on.  I always thought Crystal Carson's Julia had good chem with TG and she was out pretty quickly.

21 hours ago, carolineg said:

 

I feel like there was a period of time where if you looked like Vanessa Marcil you were hired on GH and paired with Sonny.  Lisa Vultaggio looked so much like VM when they paired her with Sonny it was crazy, but at least the show acknowledged it.   I mean Sonny and Brenda could barely recreate Sonny and Brenda in 2010, so that's just a bad idea to keep trying.

 

 

Part of what made Sonny appealing in the 90's is that characters were allowed to hate Sonny.  He wasn't a good guy.   He had redeeming qualities in his love for Brenda, Stone, Robin etc., but he was a jerk.   I can honestly say when GH is finally cancelled we can look to the point where Sonny and his bff Jason were made the leading men as the beginning of the end.

 

THIS.  I loved Sonny in the 90s and one of the reasons I liked him was because not everyone liked him.  That was a good thing.  To this day, I remembered that Edward Quartermaine didn't like Robert Scorpio.  I loved that and I loved both characters.  No character should be liked by everyone - especially a mobster.

 

Also, I agree that when GH made Sonny, Carly and Jason the sole focus of the show, it was the beginning of the end.

Maybe that is Ryan in Ferncliff

It sure looked like old school Ryan Circa 1995

I'm pretty sure it's Ryan in the funny farm.

 

He'll switch with Kevin eventually though. I know for sure that 

Spoiler

Kristina Wagner taped scenes recently. Also, Genie's return as Laura. 

 

My psycho is back and I couldn't be happier if I tried right now.  Woo hoo!!!

Edited August 10, 20187 yr by Ryan Chamberlain

7 hours ago, OldGHFan said:

To this day, I remembered that Edward Quartermaine didn't like Robert Scorpio.  I loved that and I loved both characters.  No character should be liked by everyone - especially a mobster.

Edward Quartermaine was shady af, especially when played by David Lewis.  He also used to get snippy around Anna when she was police commissioner if I remember correctly.  He always had a tone when he said Scorpio though, and it was great.

These courtroom scenes for the sexual assault trial are SO bad. Just awful.

Soap courtroom scenes can never be like Law and Order or Perry Mason. Where does Ava get off on being vengeful  and judgy. Shoe is on the other foot now.

I thought Sarah Brown's best chemistry was actually with Sean Kanan rather than either Benard or even Burton.

Loving all the Brenda talk.