Wow both episodes were really great! Yeah I like how they handled the Trump/Hillary stuff with Roseanne/Jackie.

 

Still don't care for Lecy's Becky, but Lecy looks good with long hair and the waves in her hair. What's up with her voice though?

 

Love Darlene, and Harris is a pretty good character as is Mark.

 

I hope they  tell us what happened to Becky's Mark, how he was killed.

DJ Married with a kid, wow lol

Lecy's a smoker, I believe, so not surprised by her deeper voice....

Just now, BetterForgotten said:

Lecy's a smoker, I believe, so not surprised by her deeper voice....

Ah...I know she's had the voice since she was very young too.....

Dan eating the potpourri, I am officially dead

Deadline:

 

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NBC last summer renewed its Will & Grace revival for a second season ahead of its fall premiere. ABC similarly had been laying the groundwork for a second season of its Roseanne revival in the weeks leading to its March 27 debut. I hear the network has closed deals with the cast of the politically charged blue-collar sitcom. They all are set to return for Season 2, which I hear is expected to be 10-13 episodes, up from nine for the first installment.

 

I hear the Carsey-Werner Television-produced Roseanne has an early renewal deadline — which is not uncommon for high-profile series — and ABC has until April 15 to pick up a second season. After the blockbuster ratings for the premiere last night, the network likely won’t wait that long. ABC had no comment.

 

Like Will & Grace, the Roseanne revival was initially picked up for a limited run (eight episodes, subsequently upped to nine), so new deals had to be made with the cast and they had to be done well in advance so the stars can carve out time in their calendars for production of the new season.

 

I am pretty critical so I would put the first night at Season 7-8 level of quality - not bad, but not amazing, with some great moments and scenes and a ton of potential. There were some great biting lines but they also went with the obvious gag a few too many times. Sara Gilbert and Ames McNamara were the standouts, Laurie Metcalf and John Goodman are always excellent and Roseanne and Lecy were slowly finding their pace. Early stuff is always rocky with revivals so I hope it keeps picking up.

Edited March 28, 20187 yr by Vee

I'd agree with the comparison to Seasons 7-8.

Roseanne adjusted up to a 5.2 in the final ratings.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/daily-ratings/tuesday-final-ratings-march-27-2018/

 

Interview with ABC head Channing Dungey about last night’s ratings and the possibility of a fall launch for the next season.

 

 

 

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Prediction: The more the right embraces Roseanne as a culture-war win, the more the show itself will make sure it blows up in their faces.

— Mark Harris (@MarkHarrisNYC) March 28, 2018

I thought it was  good, better than I expected for sure. It was nice to see people talking about some of the political issues of the day in a way that felt natural to these characters. 

 

It felt right to me that Dan and Roseanne both wondered why Mark would make his life harder just to dress a certain way. These are older people who life has kicked around, so of course that wouldn't make sense to them.  It was nice that they accepted it though.

 

I agree that Sara Gilbert is a bright spot. It's hard to see Darlene so beaten down by life, but it rings true.  When Mark told her no one played with him her reaction was perfect. You could see it cut her to the bone, but she rallied to make him feel better.

 

Becky's story line is silly.  I won't bother to pick it apart, but it had me rolling my eyes.  If they want to show us that Roseanne is pro choice than just have Becky, Darlene or Harrison in need of an abortion.

 

Jackie showing up in that p*ssy hat.

 

1 minute ago, Juliajms said:

When Mark told her no one played with him her reaction was perfect. You could see it cut her to the bone, but she rallied to make him feel better.

 

I said this both here and in my status update, but that moment is one of the best I've seen on Roseanne since, I dunno... season 6? And it was also clearly deep for Gilbert.

It’s not often that you see real tears on a sitcom, but Gilbert did it twice.

6 hours ago, Vee said:

I'm just annoyed the social media reaction is already so tribalized - the alt right is trying to adopt it while it's not an alt right show tonally in any way, certainly not with Sara Gilbert and co. running it, while a lot of the online left is signaling how it can't be allowed. The actual reviews (from progressive critics) and quality of the show are being largely ignored in the noise atm. Hopefully that'll die down.

 

I hope people read the Todd VanDerWerff review I put up a page or two ago.

 

I saw a Ben Shapiro tweetstorm going around claiming the show/the media/Hollywood had an agenda in trying to say that Trump voters only voted for him based on economic issues and are socially liberal (he was especially upset about "a boy in a dress"). 

 

That makes no sense to me because the line from the right wing media is that Hollywood hates Trump voters, sees them as deplorables, etc. so I'm not sure why they would now change course (unless they think Hollywood is trying to brainwash and guilt Trump voters, which wouldn't really make any sense even for the pea brain mentality). It's oddly defensive posturing from a group who deep down can't face that a lot of people did vote for Trump based on the economy.

 

The irony is that Roseanne herself shares a lot of their views, but if they start in on her she won't hesitate to troll and hector them nonstop. And she has about 30 years on them in that department. 

I saw an alt right tweetstorm earlier about how this is all secretly an act on Roseanne's part to be 'subversive' and infiltrate them because of Mark Jr., D.J.'s black kid, etc. It's no act - she's just that contradictory in her feelings. She says and does repugnant things but championed the Mark character, giving D.J. a black wife and child and so on.

 

The hard and somewhat messy facts are, the show's gamble was correct as were Roseanne's own instincts about bringing it back, just as she had similar instincts about how the original show would go to #1 with or without the showrunner she kicked out in Season 1 (Matt Williams). It's done so well because both sides embraced it. Critics seem to like it, the left is very conflicted about it (as am I in some ways), and the alt right also seems increasingly confused the day after. They can't decide whether it's theirs or a false flag. The answer is it's for everyone - and produced by a very liberal production team and an openly gay showrunner, starring a woman who has made repulsive right wing gestures in recent years, days and hours - and that makes it messy. We can't pigeonhole Roseanne, for all her ugliness and behavior I think is reprehensible, like the thing with David Hogg the other day. But she's more than just that, and the show is definitely not alt right propaganda. It's not Last Man Standing.

 

I'm not saying we should tailor more entertainment 'for everyone' - I think that's a fool's errand, I don't have much stomach for it morally right now, and I think very few shows could successfully do that. I think this one could.

Edited March 29, 20187 yr by Vee