The mansion looks SO MUCH better. Not exactly the same as the old look but tons better.

Victor and Phyllis teaming up is one of the stupidest things Y&R has done this year... and that's quite impressive...

I completely agree.

third.

But it's all to show what victor did was fine. He will play family hero at Phyllis' request. 

I can't believe Kevin is a modern day Christine between Natalie, Mariah, and Chloe

 

I don't have a problem with Mal's production values so far and it's great we've got Jill back, even in the opening credits! However the continuing problem is that I feel the show is still stuck on stupid with Pratt's two albatrosses he's created--Sully's true paternity/maternity and Sage's missing diary pages. Neither story had to happen and really I feel the last three months of watching are a WASTE OF MY TIME! Surely instead of waiting for Pratt's contract to up this fall they can find some type of loophole to fire on grounds for writing such idiocracy. 

modern day Bug! Love it. It's a sad commentary when Kevin is the 'not-so-young' male romantic lead. If anything, Luca should have lots of women after him, but they've chosen to isolate him with Summer. This is where devious Mariah would've worked - like when she first came on the show. Regardless, erasing Noah and Travis has hurt more than it should. 

So we're left with several under-30 women stuck with much older men (Lily, Mariah, Abby) and other viable women (Hilary, Chloe and Chelsea) just stuck. The show is vey unbalanced right now. 

The biggest problem is the shows refusal to write for and truly invest in any man under  30. They are totally stuck on their 40 something male leads. At least that's the problem for mariah and Abby. Hilary and lily have totally different issues that won't be solved with with more younger men. 

 

I don't get adding Chelsea into this number. There is nothing stuck about her. The show ensures that she's always at the forefront with a pairing and story no matter what's going on with Adam. 

 

Chloe just cane back. I'm sure she will fall into that Chelsea category this time around. EH didn't come back to be paired with GR. 

 

Edited August 16, 20169 yr by ajsp35801

^ I added Chelsea because for months her story has completely involved/revolved around Adam (supporting him when Victor ended the Chicago job, the Chrully reveal and the frame-up, etc.) Very little of what Chelsea does is Adamless. At least we saw Chelsea 2.0 the other day. I would've chalked it up to JH's schedule with his show, but it's extended much further back than the past couple of months. But MCE is far better off than most of the other 'younger' actresses on the show 

Billy has to be at least 40 years old and Jill thinks  he is going to let his loud, overbearing mother tell him what to do?  This is what JW was brought by for? What a waste.  Good for ED that she is back to her reality show among other projects. A house didnt't have to fall on her at Y&R!

Victor and Phyllis teaming up is one of the stupidest things Y&R has done this year... and that's quite impressive...

I completely agree.

 

Why is it stupid? It's a standard soap trope, and there's nothing wrong with it. What matters is the execution.

 

Y&R is MASSIVELY improved since Mal Young arrived, yet this board gives him and the show too little credit. So much is better -- the sets, lighting, direction, wardrobe, hair -- and those elements matter. They even elevate Pratt's writing. 

 

Scripts seem more character-driven lately, too. So what do I read here? They're "boring."  This stuff is so much better than the plot crap we were getting with explosions and fires.

 

Is the show perfect? No. But it IS much better, and due credit should be given.

Why is it stupid?  Because Victor put a fake Jack in Phyllis's bed putting him way over the line at least as far as I'm concerned.  Phyllis is screwing her brother in law, neither one of these a holes has any credibility whatsoever and that's what makes the writing for this story line so sucky when it could be great.  I do agree that the show is looking a lot better but if the writing doesn't improve, if they get rid of Luca and Travis instead of bringing them on board in a major way and making Victor pay in a big way it won't make any difference.  The show will still suck.  I would like to invite someone from the writing staff at Y&R to post on this board, anonymously, and assure me and the anyone else that cares, that the writing for this show is going to get better.  I really can't be disappointed anymore, I'm at the end of my rope.

And BTW, Hillary is being completely and totally wasted on this show.  This talented actress needs a decent story that doesn't include Devon or Neil. 

^^^ I hope you get your wish with Hilary and she gets a story far away from Devon. Unlike some, I feel like he's being wasted as her purse holder, bank, and yes man. Hoping that they break up and writers give him more edge so they can actually finally attempt to write for him and let him drive story for a change. Do something besides defend her and be her moral compass. 

^ I added Chelsea because for months her story has completely involved/revolved around Adam (supporting him when Victor ended the Chicago job, the Chrully reveal and the frame-up, etc.) Very little of what Chelsea does is Adamless. At least we saw Chelsea 2.0 the other day. I would've chalked it up to JH's schedule with his show, but it's extended much further back than the past couple of months. But MCE is far better off than most of the other 'younger' actresses on the show 

Chelsea's only purpose for existing is to be Adam's wife. Her story will always be about or include him. That's just a given considering the show is now some knock off couple centric ABC soap. 

^^^ I hope you get your wish with Hilary and she gets a story far away from Devon. Unlike some, I feel like he's being wasted as her purse holder, bank, and yes man. Hoping that they break up and writers give him more edge so they can actually finally attempt to write for him and let him drive story for a change. Do something besides defend her and be her moral compass. 

Poor Devon has looked like Hillary's fool for some time now. I'd like to see him reconnect with Abby. MO has improved and she and Devon could be fun together.

Is it sad that the only woman who has a back bone on the show is Bethany/?

^^^ I hope you get your wish with Hilary and she gets a story far away from Devon. Unlike some, I feel like he's being wasted as her purse holder, bank, and yes man. Hoping that they break up and writers give him more edge so they can actually finally attempt to write for him and let him drive story for a change. Do something besides defend her and be her moral compass. 

Poor Devon has looked like Hillary's fool for some time now. I'd like to see him reconnect with Abby. MO has improved and she and Devon could be fun together.

I agree on MO. She has come a long way. However, I still think she's too tall for a Devon and Abby pairing. It'd look too distracting onscreen. I'd rather see him doing business related stories and spark a friendship then romance with Chloe. Always thought they made sense and that BJ and EH had chemistry. But I saw real spark back when Devon was the benefactor for the Delia valentine's day fundraiser. He can play daddy to Bella until her true paternity is revealed and HELP RUN (very important he be shown doing this) and fund Chloe's fashion line under CI umbrella to rival Chelsea 2.0. That's a story I want to see. 

 

Since they insist Hilary must be paired  with one of their old guys then free Devon and allow writers to go for hilary/Jack or Hilary/Neil 3.0 . Just don't have him around pining for her on the sidelines, which was clearly Pratt's plan. What sense does that make in a world where Kevin has 3 young love interests? 

Double post 

Edited August 17, 20169 yr by ajsp35801

Thank goodness the mansion looked better, and Jess teared it up in all of her scenes as usual! I actually found the ending with Bethany and Victor to be hilarious too.

Victor and Phyllis teaming up is one of the stupidest things Y&R has done this year... and that's quite impressive...

I completely agree.

 

Why is it stupid? It's a standard soap trope, and there's nothing wrong with it. What matters is the execution.

 

Y&R is MASSIVELY improved since Mal Young arrived, yet this board gives him and the show too little credit. So much is better -- the sets, lighting, direction, wardrobe, hair -- and those elements matter. They even elevate Pratt's writing. 

 

Scripts seem more character-driven lately, too. So what do I read here? They're "boring."  This stuff is so much better than the plot crap we were getting with explosions and fires.

 

Is the show perfect? No. But it IS much better, and due credit should be given.

Why is it stupid?  Because Victor put a fake Jack in Phyllis's bed putting him way over the line at least as far as I'm concerned.  Phyllis is screwing her brother in law, neither one of these a holes has any credibility whatsoever and that's what makes the writing for this story line so sucky when it could be great.  I do agree that the show is looking a lot better but if the writing doesn't improve, if they get rid of Luca and Travis instead of bringing them on board in a major way and making Victor pay in a big way it won't make any difference.  The show will still suck.  I would like to invite someone from the writing staff at Y&R to post on this board, anonymously, and assure me and the anyone else that cares, that the writing for this show is going to get better.  I really can't be disappointed anymore, I'm at the end of my rope.

And BTW, Hillary is being completely and totally wasted on this show.  This talented actress needs a decent story that doesn't include Devon or Neil. 

You complain about pretty much everything, and I have no clue as to what you'd like to see. You have any great potential couples or storylines in mind? Because all we get from you is one slam after another.

Y&R feels so empty without Jeanne.

I think both Luca and Travis won't be around much longer.  I can see one of them dying and the other charged with murder and are off the canvas.