Thanks GMac. I thought maybe a bit kooky having an all purpose serum that can correct any flaw on the skin regardless of texture, tone or problem but then I thought, hey, it's a soap, it's allowed!

Then I got kind of carried away and thought Ashley could name the serum Flawless (or something like that) and of course, Phyllis who got pushed into the Fashion Division wants back in when she hears about it and Ashley wants Phyllis to have no part of it even though Phyllis tries to convince Ashley that she was the force behind Scarlet Mist and could do the same for Flawless being that she thinks she is pretty flawless too. Jack, of course is stuck in the middle.

Too bad Jill isn't at Jabot and running the Men's Division- this could've been a Unisex product and some cross promotion done (Mason could've been model for this) and there would be an honest to goodness power struggle between Ashley, Jill and Phyllis with Jack completely in the middle.

You know, under the right circumstances, this could have been a decent umbrella story. Throw in Lauren and the boutique, Chelsea doing a Flawless inspired Fashion Line. Victor trying to find out the chemical components so that NC can market their own version (of course, NC will make the mistake of using chemicals that will get it put on the Environmental Working Group's blacklist, while Ashley's product gets a recommendation from the EWG for using 75 % organic ingredients )

Someone stop me, I'm getting way too carried away!

Like even more! I don't think the premise is kooky at all - I've seen all kinds of infomercials claiming to do this same thing (don't ask! lol).

But the premise and structure here is, IMO, thoughtful and would provide for good story using the history of the show. This pathetic love potion stuff is the exact opposite!

Definitely Team Sharon. I was baffled that Nick is actually berating Sharon for being smart enough to get a good attorney so she doesn't lose custody of her daughter. Is he really that stupid to think she was just going to give up to the Newman's yet again without a fight?

At this point, I'm torn on the Nick/Sharon thing. I still believe Nick might come around before Christmas. If this were real life, I'd be hard pressed to trust Sharon to stay on her meds. However, she does seem pretty stable right now. I was proud of Noah for standing up for himself and refusing to get in the middle though. Sharon is wrong to try to put him in that position, whatever her reasoning. I also thought it was funny that Adam is already rubbing Noah the wrong way.

Victoria already thinking of going back to work? Please, that is just beyond ridiculous. How many times have she and Nick quit Newman? No board of directors on the planet would stand for this kind of instability in upper management. Now a week after giving birth, in the middle of the holiday season she's making plans to go back? So lame.

^^^ I was thinking the same thing when she said that. BTW, it's been awhile back (maybe last year or longer) that she was going to start her own business or something? I remember her and Nikki talking about it at her place. I guess that was dropped, but it was also a moment.

^^^ I was thinking the same thing when she said that. BTW, it's been awhile back (maybe last year or longer) that she was going to start her own business or something? I remember her and Nikki talking about it at her place. I guess that was dropped, but it was also a moment.

I sort of remember what you're talking about, but not in any great detail. I also remember she was going to start writing children's books at one point. It really bugs me how so many of these characters change jobs on a whim. It's so unrealistic. We are supposed to believe they are brilliant business people, but how? Why would any serious enterprise trust people who only stick to jobs for months at a time and quit when daddy hurts their feelings?

I was glad to see Jill today but her scenes with Billy and Victoria were bad. Why do they make her come off so petty? I get that she would want Victoria's child to be her granddaughter but to be so snarky and rude to Stitch just makes her look bad. Her scenes with Victor were much better.

I'm finding Joe to be obnoxious in every scene he's in. I know it's the writing but his stiff/smug self is wearing out his welcome.

Sage/Nick were strange today. If they are supposed to become a new couple, I'm not feeling it.

I liked Jill's scenes with Victor too. I wouldn't object to them revisiting her and Jack, we'd be rid of Colin and put him in a more age appropriate relationship.

Joe and Cane both sporting that slicked back hair style was weird. I'm not that intrigued by him or his fascination with Avery. How do they expect us to care about a relationship that we didn't see? I FF all of Avery and Dylan anyway. This is like the third time all of her conquests were in the bar with her too...

I hope they don't set up Sage and Nick. I didn't feel it either from their scenes today. I don't know why she didn't just take off, but it's a soap so that's why. Lol.

Adam was good today too. The elevator scene was brief, but I felt the tension between him and Victor. I didn't realize how tall JH is until he was in the park.

All in all, an ok episode.

Jill definitely should be placed more in Victor and Jack's orbit, she should be smack dab in the middle of things. Her scenes with Victor were intriguing and effortless, it even made Victor tolerable to watch. Jill should've already been back at Jabot because there is at least some actual business taking place. I don't know what is going on at NC.

There's speculation that Joe may be doing Victor's bidding undercover. I don't know whether any of that is true but if it is, Joe needs to double cross Victor by revealing himself to be one of those activist investors who, on the sly, has bought up enough NC shares and rallies the board to force NC to sell off its assets or break up the company, mainly a separation between Newman and Chancellor Industries. Now would've been a good time to do that since who is really running Newman full time right now? If they're going to make Joe a shark make him into one who has actual teeth. Jill could also be involved here too.

So many possibilities for Jill. Le sigh.

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^^^ That's interesting IRT Joe. Now that I think about it, his encouraging Cane to go talk to Victor, and Victors reaction to him would support that. Things that make you go Hmmm...

I've been wondering if there's a connection between Constance and Victor. She acted kinda funky when Nick came to the house

Definitely Team Sharon. I was baffled that Nick is actually berating Sharon for being smart enough to get a good attorney so she doesn't lose custody of her daughter. Is he really that stupid to think she was just going to give up to the Newman's yet again without a fight?

He is that stupid. I have no issue with everyone being angry with Sharon but Nick was never held accountable for his trifling behavior that started all of this.

I've been wondering if there's a connection between Constance and Victor. She acted kinda funky when Nick came to the house

I wondered if that's because deep down she knows Adam is not Gabriel and she didn't want any strangers poking around? Maybe she wants to keep living the fantasy that her grandson is alive?

I wondered if that's because deep down she knows Adam is not Gabriel and she didn't want any strangers poking around? Maybe she wants to keep living the fantasy that her grandson is alive?

That's what I got out of those scenes.

I was glad to see Jill today but her scenes with Billy and Victoria were bad. Why do they make her come off so petty? I get that she would want Victoria's child to be her granddaughter but to be so snarky and rude to Stitch just makes her look bad. Her scenes with Victor were much better.

I'm finding Joe to be obnoxious in every scene he's in. I know it's the writing but his stiff/smug self is wearing out his welcome.

Sage/Nick were strange today. If they are supposed to become a new couple, I'm not feeling it.

There's something about the whole stop the redevelopment story that's lacking and Joe being front and center in it can't save it. Throw in Lane and Davery and it's ff material for me. IA with your whole post Melroser.

On Vanderpump Rules today the woman that played the original Heather (and had super hot chemistry with original Adam, Chris Engen) was on and is apparently working now at SUR. In her talking head she said that she was on Y&R for three years and towards the end got into drugs and hard partying. I guess that explains what happened to her employment on the show. She says she cleaned up her act. Tomorrow night, Tuesday, Eieen Davidson is going to be on Real Housewives Beverly Hills talking about Y&R and she specifically mentions the shower scene with Stitch. There looked to be some BTS stuff of her filming although I can't be sure.

I liked Jill's scenes with Victor too. I wouldn't object to them revisiting her and Jack, we'd be rid of Colin and put him in a more age appropriate relationship.

Joe and Cane both sporting that slicked back hair style was weird. I'm not that intrigued by him or his fascination with Avery. How do they expect us to care about a relationship that we didn't see? I FF all of Avery and Dylan anyway. This is like the third time all of her conquests were in the bar with her too...

I hope they don't set up Sage and Nick. I didn't feel it either from their scenes today. I don't know why she didn't just take off, but it's a soap so that's why. Lol.

Adam was good today too. The elevator scene was brief, but I felt the tension between him and Victor. I didn't realize how tall JH is until he was in the park.

All in all, an ok episode.

JH is a perfect Adam and he is tall..and so muscular. Loved his scene with Victor.JH has so much expression in his eyes..Hardly need dialogue..Love, love him.