The Bells need to get this show back into their orbit and somehow produce and write both shows. Y&R has been a complete mess every since they gave up control to hacks.

IMO, HT's Victoria captured beautifully the essence of being Victor Newman's daughter -- both the fabulous privileges that came with that title...as well as the enormous responsibilities and burdens. She could be as intelligent and professional as her dad...and she could be as cunning and commanding as him as well. IOW, her Victoria was one you could buy as heir(ess) to Victor's throne, especially as long as Joshua "Dude, Where's My Keg?" Morrow was around and portraying Nick as the Doucheboat of Alpha Tau.

But now...? Now, in addition to Big Brother Nick, you have AH's Victoria, better known as the Girl Most Likely to Become a Frat Mattress and The One Whose Hair You Have to Hold Back While She Ralphs in the Toilet.

Which is the height of irony since Y&R drastically rewrote the character to suit him.

I completely agree.

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Which is the height of irony since Y&R drastically rewrote the character to suit him.

Exactly. BM would be jackshit if he had to play Billy in any capacity other than just the name.

The Bells need to get this show back into their orbit and somehow produce and write both shows. Y&R has been a complete mess every since they gave up control to hacks.

Ain't that the truth.

IMO, HT's Victoria captured beautifully the essence of being Victor Newman's daughter -- both the fabulous privileges that came with that title...as well as the enormous responsibilities and burdens. She could be as intelligent and professional as her dad...and she could be as cunning and commanding as him as well. IOW, her Victoria was one you could buy as heir(ess) to Victor's throne, especially as long as Joshua "Dude, Where's My Keg?" Morrow was around and portraying Nick as the Doucheboat of Alpha Tau.

But now...? Now, in addition to Big Brother Nick, you have AH's Victoria, better known as the Girl Most Likely to Become a Frat Mattress and The One Whose Hair You Have to Hold Back While She Ralphs in the Toilet.

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Which is why I still endorse the idea of Victoria becoming a full-blown alcoholic and dying from alcohol poisoning. I realize AH cannot "play drunk" to save her neck. (Heck, AH can't play anything to save her neck.) But it seems like no one outside of HT -- who, by the way, is never coming back to Y&R...probably -- can portray that role. (Remember Sarah Aldrich as Victoria? Exactly.) And depending on how fast you burn through the story, no one watching would have to suffer too long before AH's Victoria lapsed into that irreversible coma.

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For the record, I couldn't stand Victoria when Heather Tom played her either.

Unpopular opinion but I actually prefer AH's Victoria to HT's.

the Doucheboat of Alpha Tau.

Your wit slays daily. Keep on doing what you do!

Which is why I still endorse the idea of Victoria becoming a full-blown alcoholic and dying from alcohol poisoning. I realize AH cannot "play drunk" to save her neck. (Heck, AH can't play anything to save her neck.) But it seems like no one outside of HT -- who, by the way, is never coming back to Y&R...probably -- can portray that role. (Remember Sarah Aldrich as Victoria? Exactly.) And depending on how fast you burn through the story, no one watching would have to suffer too long before AH's Victoria lapsed into that irreversible coma.

I disagree with this. I do believe that AH could play a drug addict. I maintain that she always seems high now.

Which is why I still endorse the idea of Victoria becoming a full-blown alcoholic and dying from alcohol poisoning. I realize AH cannot "play drunk" to save her neck. (Heck, AH can't play anything to save her neck.) But it seems like no one outside of HT -- who, by the way, is never coming back to Y&R...probably -- can portray that role. (Remember Sarah Aldrich as Victoria? Exactly.) And depending on how fast you burn through the story, no one watching would have to suffer too long before AH's Victoria lapsed into that irreversible coma.

I think they could find someone to play Victoria as you wish her to be, but I think they've never tried to do that because somewhere a long the way they decided that isn't the Victoria they want. I'm willing to agree that's a huge mistake, but now more than ever, it's clear that Heather Tom's Y&R no longer exists. All these recasts at once? I just can't even imagine what they were thinking. A couple of months from now this show will be unrecognizable.

Which is why I still endorse the idea of Victoria becoming a full-blown alcoholic and dying from alcohol poisoning. I realize AH cannot "play drunk" to save her neck. (Heck, AH can't play anything to save her neck.) But it seems like no one outside of HT -- who, by the way, is never coming back to Y&R...probably -- can portray that role. (Remember Sarah Aldrich as Victoria? Exactly.) And depending on how fast you burn through the story, no one watching would have to suffer too long before AH's Victoria lapsed into that irreversible coma.

I endorse this! I think irreversible coma signals hope she'll come back. I think kill off Victoria, with JFP's track record there are lots of way she could die

IMO, HT's Victoria captured beautifully the essence of being Victor Newman's daughter -- both the fabulous privileges that came with that title...as well as the enormous responsibilities and burdens. She could be as intelligent and professional as her dad...and she could be as cunning and commanding as him as well. IOW, her Victoria was one you could buy as heir(ess) to Victor's throne, especially as long as Joshua "Dude, Where's My Keg?" Morrow was around and portraying Nick as the Doucheboat of Alpha Tau.

But now...? Now, in addition to Big Brother Nick, you have AH's Victoria, better known as the Girl Most Likely to Become a Frat Mattress and The One Whose Hair You Have to Hold Back While She Ralphs in the Toilet.

I completely agree.

I agree HT's Victoria had the balls of playing an heiress worthy of taking the mantle from Victor, AH on the other hand, no way. She wasn't THIS bad on All My Children

I think they could find someone to play Victoria as you wish her to be, but I think they've never tried to do that because somewhere a long the way they decided that isn't the Victoria they want. I'm willing to agree that's a huge mistake, but now more than ever, it's clear that Heather Tom's Y&R no longer exists. All these recasts at once? I just can't even imagine what they were thinking. A couple of months from now this show will be unrecognizable.

that would make TWO soaps totally unrecognizable, though the other soap brought back some old players except they aren't writing for them. There are some capable actress who could be ALMOST bein caliber with Heather Tom's Victoria

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I think irreversible coma signals hope she'll come back.

Frankly, cassadine, anything signals hope these days to many soap fans. You could have Victoria literally decapitated on-screen, with her body dismembered and buried in pieces in several continents, and her head fed to Traci Abbott Nina Webster a lion, and people still would insist that one foot they buried in Antarctica must have re-generated an entire, whole, new body.

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Frankly, cassadine, anything signals hope these days to many soap fans. You could have Victoria literally decapitated on-screen, with her body dismembered and buried in pieces in several continents, and her head fed to Traci Abbott Nina Webster a lion, and people still would insist that one foot they buried in Antarctica must have re-generated an entire, whole, new body.

But you say that like it couldn't happen. After all the resurrections and doppelgangers, it's no wonder fans don't believe in the true death.

Sad, but it was clear that DT couldn't play the fratty Neanderthal the role had become during BM's run. I was uncomfortable watching him.

It also reminds me of what happened to Scott DeFreitas on ATWT. Daytime has a tough time with male actors who can play the sensitivity of a damaged character without all of the knuckle-dragging. It's depressing.

After all the resurrections and doppelgangers, it's no wonder fans don't believe in the true death.

Exactly, Julia. I might endorse the idea of killing off Victoria in order to rid ourselves of AH, but even I know death has become so utterly meaningless on soaps.

But you say that like it couldn't happen. After all the resurrections and doppelgangers, it's no wonder fans don't believe in the true death.

remember when soaps actually did a true death.

you talking about believing in the "true death" reminds me of True Blood

Nowadays, only characters who were portrayed by actors who died IRL get "real deaths." Like DAYS's Alice Horton and GH's Edward Quartermaine. For everyone else...? Well, they say everyone has a double.

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remember when soaps actually did a true death.

you talking about believing in the "true death" reminds me of True Blood

Yes, I was making a little True Blood reference. I remember, alright. I think the worst affront was undoing Philip's death. That truly served no purpose at all and screwed with a piece of Y&R history that was fine just the way it was written the first time.