Well I didn't read him back then (if he was writing) But he thought Ron could walk on water

I know, him and Cartini.. and him about Trevor St. John and how he bags on Roger Howarth, sorry but TSJ isn't all that

John, moving the shows is the most ridiculous thing any of us have ever heard, so you might as well drop it now.

Why is that so out of the realm of possibility? AMC already moved from New York to LA to Stamford. Ugly Betty moved from LA to NYC, while Fringe went from NYC to Vancouver. Body of Proof went from Rhode Island to LA. Tax credits are constantly changing and production will move to wherever they can get the best deal at the time. And unless you're paying really close attention to the end credits, the average viewer can't tell the difference.

I know, him and Cartini.. and him about Trevor St. John and how he bags on Roger Howarth, sorry but TSJ isn't all that

He had a habit of talking about how big Jeff Branson's equipment is, too.

Why is that so out of the realm of possibility? AMC already moved from New York to LA to Stamford. Ugly Betty moved from LA to NYC, while Fringe went from NYC to Vancouver. Body of Proof went from Rhode Island to LA. Tax credits are constantly changing and production will move to wherever they can get the best deal at the time. And unless you're paying really close attention to the end credits, the average viewer can't tell the difference.

I think after building the sets, establishing a crew, etc, it would be too early to really justify the cost of a move.

It seems insane to even consider moving production.

These PP threads are always ... something. My first gut reaction, and it seems the actors are feeling this way (am I wrong on that?), is that the shows just won't ever resume production. (But I hope that they do and I think this is just another bump that's being elevated to "OHMYGOD" status)

These shows have really been put through the wringer LOL. And after a completely surprising revival this year (followed by the insane amount of hurdles and complications), I figure they'll ultimately get through this one too.

If not, I'll deal with that when "that" news (not saying it will) comes down.

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I think the actors are thinking the exact opposite of that, by everything we've seen so far from Eden Riegel, other staffers, etc.

Whether or not that's true and they're being sold a bill of goods, we'll see. I hope not.

I know he's not the most classy member of the soap press but I don't know a ton about him. Do we think there's any chance that he has a legit source or that this is credible?

Pretty sure his sources lean more towards the CBS soaps. Basically it's the actors he sucks up too lol

I think the actors are thinking the exact opposite of that, by everything we've seen so far from Eden Riegel, other staffers, etc.

Whether or not that's true and they're being sold a bill of goods, we'll see. I hope not.

Oh, OK. That's good then. I was more going off of earlier posts with Robin's hotline and it was phrased like she was panicking. I also got concern from Reigel's initial tweet but it's hard to assume anything from a tweet. Guess they were nothing. I admit to not finishing reading everything though.

Unions can be just as greedy as corporations.

I am probably wrong--but weren't these union regulations (about budget) specifically created in this case for this ventur--and I don't believe that was hammered out till Dec at earliest.

Giving PP perhaps a bit too much credit, I think your first point could be argued in their favour too. A LOT of this stuff--from episode numberper week, to writing staff, etc, etc, are things that frankly in such a new situation I do *not* think PP should have anticipated, or could have, before they actually went out and tried it.

Thank you. MTE.

Why is that so out of the realm of possibility? AMC already moved from New York to LA to Stamford. Ugly Betty moved from LA to NYC, while Fringe went from NYC to Vancouver. Body of Proof went from Rhode Island to LA. Tax credits are constantly changing and production will move to wherever they can get the best deal at the time. And unless you're paying really close attention to the end credits, the average viewer can't tell the difference.

Well, maybe I am making too much of nothing, but it seems like a really big deal that they built a new studio from the ground up in two months. I was amazed they could do it once. It sounds like tptb at PP think they'll be able to resolve this. Whether or not it's a matter of proving their claim that they didn't go over budget, or they think they can reach some compromise with the union is the question in my mind. And if they're so confident, why interrupt the taping schedule?

Well, maybe I am making too much of nothing, but it seems like a really big deal that they built a new studio from the ground up in two months. I was amazed they could do it once. It sounds like tptb at PP think they'll be able to resolve this. Whether or not it's a matter of proving their claim that they didn't go over budget, or they think they can reach some compromise with the union is the question in my mind. And if they're so confident, why interrupt the taping schedule?

Exactly what I was thinkin'. Why does it always have to get to this point? They had, what, a year to plan this all out? However, they didn't anticipate binge viewing (thus, the episode cut)...or that they'd go over budget? Sloppy.

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Exactly what I was thinkin'. Why does it always have to get to this point? They had, what, a year to plan this all out? However, they didn't anticipate binge viewing (thus, the episode cut)...or that they'd go over budget? Sloppy.

I wonder if the reduction was more about binge viewing or trying to stockpile eps knowing that the union was making noise. I'm not saying viewership patterns weren't examined but I think a lot of us thought it might have more to do with production issues. This latest development seems to support that at least in my opinion.

As far as why they stopped production, I think there could be any number of reasons. I could imagine they thought it would be better to do so before there was an actual strike. I could imagine that it was a cost move if they do think they'll need to throw some money at the unions. I could imagine it was Jeff K telling the unions F off- now there's no work next week and then throwing the moving threat out there. None of this makes PP look stable but I do think they could have decided to interrupt production even if they think the union has no merits.

As far as the actors, I did not get at all that Eden Riegel thinks this is done- I think her tweet was more of an exasperated "really?!?! another obstacle?!?". She said she's heard there's confidence it will be resolved and I don't think she would throw that out there cavalierly. Some other cast members maybe but I just don't think so with Eden. And Robin Strasser was just well being Robin Strasser talking about wanting to get her shoes back. The first thing she said on the hotline was that she had no information. So I wouldn't worry a ton on the actor front yet.

I wonder if the reduction was more about binge viewing or trying to stockpile eps knowing that the union was making noise. I'm not saying viewership patterns weren't examined but I think a lot of us thought it might have more to do with production issues. This latest development seems to support that at least in my opinion.

As far as why they stopped production, I think there could be any number of reasons. I could imagine they thought it would be better to do so before there was an actual strike. I could imagine that it was a cost move if they do think they'll need to throw some money at the unions. I could imagine it was Jeff K telling the unions F off- now there's no work next week and then throwing the moving threat out there. None of this makes PP look stable but I do think they could have decided to interrupt production even if they think the union has no merits.

As far as the actors, I did not get at all that Eden Riegel thinks this is done- I think her tweet was more of an exasperated "really?!?! another obstacle?!?". She said she's heard there's confidence it will be resolved and I don't think she would throw that out there cavalierly. Some other cast members maybe but I just don't think so with Eden. And Robin Strasser was just well being Robin Strasser talking about wanting to get her shoes back. The first thing she said on the hotline was that she had no information. So I wouldn't worry a ton on the actor front yet.

This is the first "pro-PP' argument that has any resonance with me. I got so tired of the endless union blaming that goes on in this thread.

I think both PP and the union are at fault. PP does seem to leap before making sure they aren't leaping into a volcano.. while unions have been known to be very greedy and pig-headed... hence why a lot of productions seem to go to Canada and right to work states.

Plus, unions have been known for causing companies to shut down.. like what happened to my dad's company. In that case, they were in chapter 11 bk.. and the CEO stated that every single employee/union had to make concussion (he even took a big pay cut as well).. and everyone was on board except for one lone union.. and they responded by going on strike.. and the company stated that if everyone wasn't on board then the company would have to fold.. but the lone union refused to back down.. and the company switched to chapter 7 and over 18,000 jobs were lost. That said, if PP hasn't gone over budget or violated any part of the contract.. then the union needs to back down and not be so greedy.

However, if the contract established stated that the shows were to be shown online only for at least 9 months, and that included other countries then PP needs to pay the fees/penalities for the 15 episodes of each show shown on FX Canada. Plus, pay any fees,etc for any day they went over 125,000 if it comes out that they did go overbudget on certain days.

Does anyone really think these shows will not go back into production and they will be cancelled? I just don't see PP giving up like that. That means cancelled and rights reverted back to ABC. Its not like ABC would do anything about it. This is a start up a very ambitious project. Its going to take time to iron all the kinks out.