Frankly, I hope Todd remembers that he actually has a daughter that loves him instead of groveling at the feet of this Julie Come Lately. I'm fine with him working overtime to win back my Blair and Jackass onscreen and his Shorty (is she appearing briefly here? If not, I'm fine with hearing references here and there), but I draw the line at that retcon.

Since both Todd and Blair were retcons themselves, I find this post amusing.

Starr is the doormat who forgives all his lies and betrayals very easily and fast. Dani has always been far harder to win over. So has Jack.

OMG the Todd and Viki scenes warmed my heart. I always think of what ES said about RH and TSJ when she's working with them, there's always something lacking in Viki and Victor scenes

Haha I do too, I don't think Erika particularly cares for working with Trevor, or at least didn't in the past, that was impression I walked away with

Haha I do too, I don't think Erika particularly cares for working with Trevor, or at least didn't in the past, that was impression I walked away with

I think she likes working with him, but it all seems one sided in their scenes, I get warmth from Viki/ES but none from Trevor/Victor.

I think she likes working with him, but it all seems one sided in their scenes, I get warmth from Viki/ES but none from Trevor/Victor.

Yeah, there's no special bond there that there is with Roger

All this Todd talk reminds me, we better see some RH Todd and Dorian scenes soon, I wanna see them go head to head!

I think it's clear Victor has PTSD. I don't know if his motives are sinister per se but I suspect he may have had to become a part of the organization in order to survive.

I don't think Todd is a sociopath. That indicates he has no feeling for others. He clearly feels deeply, always has, but he channels that intense emotion to warped ends. He mentally compartmentalized his banishment of Jack apart from his renewed relationship with Blair, and he put aside the fact that he was stealing another woman's child in order to 'gift' Tea with the one he felt she deserved from him. The contexts are always only about what is directly in front of him.

Dani was basically mini-Starr and her handmaiden, like Langston before her. It was a complete waste of both young women (not Starr, who was the problem). Their immediate closeness never made sense to me. I don't think Todd and Blair (and Victor and Tea) favored Starr over Jack so much as FV and RC did, but I think all the children (except Starr) got lost in the shuffle for all their parents due to crisis after crisis.

We saw the tattoo on his arm and he paused when he said he whom he outsmarted so he could have faked joining them to escape. I'm hoping PP better explains Irene's black ops in a serious way vs the campy foolishness RC wrote.

I don't think RHTodd is a sociopath either but he acted like one with Marty in some chilling 1993 scenes... he showed a complete lack of empathy in his payback and stalking scenes. RH gave me shivers in a bad way again during can of dirt.

Yeah there's alot of warmth, I love their scenes.

Victor is just annoying, I wish Todd had really killed him. Hey asshat Dani is NOT your daughter, go get your son, the one that thinks you are dead

No Todd was the ass hat in 2011. Him & victor werre both victims of Irene but Todd as usual made it all about himself

No Todd was the ass hat in 2011. Him & victor werre both victims of Irene but Todd as usual made it all about himself

no one said Todd wasn't an ass, but he owns it.

Victor is more a douche

We saw the tattoo on his arm and he paused when he said he whom he outsmarted so he could have faked joining them to escape. I'm hoping PP better explains Irene's black ops in a serious way vs the campy foolishness RC wrote.

That's possible. I think the more surface claim of outsmarting Alison is mostly just something he said to get Viki off his case. He clearly doesn't want to discuss it, with her or Tea. I wish the characters would persist on the questions a bit more, but I suppose there's time for that. There's still no answer for how he "died", etc. While I can understand the writers wanting to be past that part of it, there do need to be some explanations, particularly if they're taking the time on both these shows to incorporate stuff like Lucy and Maya on AMC, or the GH crossovers or Tomas on OLTL.

Todd and Victor are both awful, awful people. I don't know how there's still lively discussion over who is the bigger !@#$%^&*]. Two years of this...

T'hell this neutral bull and trying to have a dialogue with silly ass RH stans...I'm 100% team Victor. [!@#$%^&*] Scarface. Funny how most of his kids want nothing to do with him, and gravitate towards Victor. There's a reason Todd is the practically shunned outsider looking in. All he has is Starr's cartoony (and thankfully gone) butt and his Viki nose-wiper.

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Victor reminds me of a wall...with fresh paint..

no one said Todd wasn't an ass, but he owns it.

Victor is more a douche

They're both douches. Victor is the kind you buy off the shelf and Todd is the big rubber one my grandmother used to keep hanging in the shower.

Todd and Victor are both awful, awful people. I don't know how there's still lively discussion over who is the bigger !@#$%^&*]. Two years of this...

Yes this is the truth. I mean I still like the characters but I am not pretending that one is better than the other one (except maybe post-rape Todd would not treat Marty the way Victor treated her).

Re: Dani

It's really crazy the difference a bit of rehearsal can make!