Members alphanguy74 Posted February 5, 2013 Members Share Posted February 5, 2013 I don't like her makeup. She actually looks like a drag queen DRESSED as Jennifer Hudson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cat Posted February 5, 2013 Members Share Posted February 5, 2013 Worse, they try and remake the show in their own image. Hence LML's borefest, MAB and her modern art references and 80s Primetime stunt castings. JFP now has a show with her signature synthesizer-based music and FOJs. I'll give her props for restoring some of the Winters' glory and featuring them front-and-center. The show feels tighter and some of the hair and make-up decisions look to be on point. Some of the young newbies are good casting choices. But her music cues do not feel like Y&R. Heck, even Paul Rauch threw in some classic Y&R cues. I would love for David Shaughnessy to return! But I think it would make a lot of sense to bring back some of William J. Bell's long-timers to the writing team, too. The writing is where everything starts and ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ann_SS Posted February 5, 2013 Members Share Posted February 5, 2013 You know that I don't understand; how do these people make the same mistake over and over again yet it NEVER occurs to them to do something different. I know it is a hubris, but the soap genre is dying, when will they get a freaking clue?! Why is something so superficial as the "modernizing" the music i.e., promoting their friends' music get so much attention? I wish just once they would follow Doug Marland's rules on "how NOT to ruin a soap." It actually should be pinned to their office walls, even better their foreheads. Watch the show. Learn the history of the show. You would be surprised at the ideas that you can get from the back story of your characters. Read the fan mail. The very characters that are not thrilling to you may be the audience's favorites. Be objective. When I came in to ATWT, the first thing I said was, what is pleasing the audience? You have to put your own personal likes and dislikes aside and develop the characters that the audience wants to see. Talk to everyone; writers and actors especially. There may be something in a character's history that will work beautifully for you, and who would know better than the actor who has been playing the role? Don't change a core character. You can certainly give them edges they didn't have before, or give them a logical reason to change their behavior. But when the audience says, "He would never do that," then you have failed. Build new characters slowly. Everyone knows that it takes six months to a year for an audience to care about a new character. Tie them in to existing characters. Don't shove them down the viewers' throats. If you feel staff changes are in order, look within the organization first. P&G (Procter & Gamble) does a lot of promoting from within. Almost all of our producers worked their way up from staff positions, and that means they know the show. Don't fire anyone for six months. I feel very deeply that you should look at the show's canvas before you do anything. Good soap opera is good storytelling. It's very simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ann_SS Posted February 5, 2013 Members Share Posted February 5, 2013 I just realized that at the end it is Sony to blame. It stood by for years while Alden and Smith were floundering and ratings tanked, instead of bringing back Shaughnessy or getting them some help. Sony also let LML and MAB turn Y&R into even more rubbish. Sony's executives could have put a kibosh on the ridiculous Brad/reliquary story and told MAB not to use Y&R as part of her personal mission to push modern art and put their food own when she killed off Brad or Colleen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members frequentsoapfan Posted February 5, 2013 Author Members Share Posted February 5, 2013 Sorry but at least three of those rules need some revamping. Like the don't fire anyone for 6 months rule worked then. It doesn't work now especially on Y&R where MAB so many dead end actors were brought on over the years. And the read fan mail rule. Mostly fangurls send letters now. Not a good understanding of the audience's faves at all. In the 80s yes, early 90s yes but certainly not now. Going by fanmail you would think everyone loves Lane and Shadam. And that look within the organization for staff changes isn't exactly a good idea. One of the biggest problems with soaps is the recycling of the same people over and over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bluejeanbaby3 Posted February 5, 2013 Members Share Posted February 5, 2013 JC and SB are HOT. Watched Avery and Mac/Dylan on the computer on YT and got chillbumps. Just watched them on the TV and got 5 x the goosebumps. The facial expressions and body language are spot ON for their backstory. Thank you JFP regime for putting sparks back on Y&R!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And thank you JC and SB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cat Posted February 5, 2013 Members Share Posted February 5, 2013 I personally think that Alden "floundering" was part of the natural accelerated decline in ratings seen throughout Daytime AND Primetime shows at that time. Smith jumped the shark with some stories that pushed the outlandishness in a bid to get ratings. Sony's decision to hire LML and let her FIRE so much crew and behind-the-scenes personnel who had worked with William J Bell for decades was absolutely disastrous. She gutted the writing room and production team; a bunch went over to B&B and Days. Sony sat back and let her do it. They were so in love with the idea that she was "modernizing" the show, making it more like God knows what. Remember when LML stopped doing any kind of cliffhanger on the show so that Y&R became a bunch of stand-alone episodes about nothing much? And MAB did nothing to bring back the people who knew the show like the back of their hand. I won't detail what she did because we all know the story; suffice to say that she ruined any kind of cred a Bell might have working on this soap forever. Sony now have complete control. And I don't think Steve Kent even knows what Y&R stands for or what its core identity is (or was). He seems to have given JFP carte blanche to make it a little like AMC in its last years (bleurgh), a little like GH under JFP (ditto), a little like ABC Daytime, a little like One Tree Hill (to borrow Brad Bell's "new" favourite TV show). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bluejeanbaby3 Posted February 5, 2013 Members Share Posted February 5, 2013 She and her dress are gorgeous! The hairstyle is the one she used to have when she appeared as Vance's assistant back in the day. It's the one the current Y&R should stick with! Don't try to fix what isn't broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ann_SS Posted February 5, 2013 Members Share Posted February 5, 2013 You are right about the natural decline in ratings, but I thought Y&R's storytelling tanked noticeably when Alden and Smith were left to their own devices. I blame them both for the mess that Y&R became which led to LML. IMO, Sony went ahead with LML's firings of long time personnel to save money. Next up, we were subjected to awful MAB whom I consider to be worse than LML though that might be because she had less time to wreck the show further. Next up, JFP. It is never ends. Yep, it is all on Sony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members frequentsoapfan Posted February 5, 2013 Author Members Share Posted February 5, 2013 Steve Kent is very involved with Y&R does he even slightly pay attention to DAYS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members QueenOfHearts Posted February 5, 2013 Members Share Posted February 5, 2013 No to that bedazzled mess masquerading as an evening gown. Tacky! Hair and makeup loosk good though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sheilaforever Posted February 5, 2013 Members Share Posted February 5, 2013 My main problem with JFP on Y&R is the HORRID music and the AWFUL directing which are both often credited as her strong suits. LOL I find it interesting that so much is changed on Y&R behind the scenes, yet the production designer is still employed and his sets scream 80s multi-camera-sitcom. He created some great stuff in the past but all permanent sets since 2006 or so have been disastrous (the new penthosue is decent admittedly). JFP or her henchwoman's "vision" for the show doesn't even flow with the long-running sets: hence the new camera angles were all sets look ultra-tiny and are always filmed in a diagonal camera-angle. JFP has however ruled in Julie Blye Wilson who was trashing Y&R with the same bland folks who couldn't act their way out of a paper bag like Y&R were AMC 2.0. All male additions, although surely hired for eye candy purposes only, can actually act. All in all I find the show very much watchable but this is actually due to the stories right now (who would have thought that???) and definitely not the show being Y&R. 'cause it doesn't look like it at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ann_SS Posted February 5, 2013 Members Share Posted February 5, 2013 What a tedious episode. I watched in less than 15 minutes. I am thinking that Nikki has multiple sclerosis. I want to care about Michael, Fen, and Lauren's story, but there will be no justice in the end and Fen will get away with bullying Jamie. Also, it just reminds me of how much I have hated Michael since day one and Lauren during the years she tormented Traci. I am glad they are suffering. Talk about soap karma. Was it just my recording or did the club music start playing during Michael and Lauren's scene? I kept trying to turn off the 80s porn music, but then realized it was come from the show. And why is the damn club music so loud? I can barely hear the actors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dm. Posted February 5, 2013 Members Share Posted February 5, 2013 JFP is doing bad work with music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members frequentsoapfan Posted February 5, 2013 Author Members Share Posted February 5, 2013 This is the most interesting Lauren and Michael have been in years. Music is all over the place. I don't think the camera work on this show is bad. The angle they shoot the penthouse on usually makes it look bigger than it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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