I honestly don't get the Amelia Heinle hate. I feel like people have been so busy not accepting her and repeatedly bashing her that they have missed the fact that by now, she truly has made the part her own. I loved Heather Tom, but Heinle IS Victoria to me now.

She phoned it in for a long time under MAB but she's been doing a great job under the new regime.

I honestly don't get the Amelia Heinle hate. I feel like people have been so busy not accepting her and repeatedly bashing her that they have missed the fact that by now, she truly has made the part her own. I loved Heather Tom, but Heinle IS Victoria to me now.

I think alot of the problem is that with the recast, TPTB chose to rewrite the character with a dfferent personality. That whispering thing that AH does when Victoria is really upset...No, They tell us that Victoria is just like Victor but that hasn't been shown since AH took over the role. And that is the problem.

Even Kate Linder is there (I think); she's next to Bryton. Very strange that the aforementioned aren't present.

Steve Kent posted a pic of SC & MS sitting next to each with plates of food. They were by a wall. I'm assuming it was from the meeting.

I honestly don't get the Amelia Heinle hate. I feel like people have been so busy not accepting her and repeatedly bashing her that they have missed the fact that by now, she truly has made the part her own. I loved Heather Tom, but Heinle IS Victoria to me now.

In the process, though, Victoria has become unrecognizable for me. I could believe Heather Tom's Victoria as heiress apparent to daddy Victor's empire. AH's Victoria, OTOH, I wouldn't trust to run the 10 Items or Less aisle at Target without melting into tears from overwork.

Do you think AH is capable of playing Victoria the way she once was? I've seen a few instances over the years where she totally captured the true essence of Victoria as Victor's heir apparent. Perhaps, if the writers would write the character as she used to be, AH could prove she is capable.

Of course, the two shows could do a cast exchange... having Heather Tom come back as Victoria and AH going over to Bold and the Beautiful to play Katie.

Of course, the two shows could do a cast exchange... having Heather Tom come back as Victoria and AH going over to Bold and the Beautiful to play Katie.

Should have been done years ago. AH would make the perfect Katie Logan. Of course the writing would have to go with it as well. Victoria stopped being a strong business executive, but vulnerable young woman in her personal life long ago. In any case, she is only one of the many symptoms of what went wrong with Y&R since Alden and Smith spiraled into the depths.

Yvonne Zima played a rape victim on SVU this past week and totally nailed it. I always suspected that she was directed on Y&R to play Dazed as an emotionless zombie. Michelle Ray Smith did a fabulous job on SVU a few years ago too. (She was much-derided as Ava on GL.) SVU really knows how to bring out the best in some soap actors...even those targeted as "bad" actors.

About that picture it was really unnerving to see Burton right smack in the front next to JFP, even though we all know why that is....

Funny how I saw Lauralee Bell in the background, and that she was just as much as a show eater as Burton was on GH back in the day....

Should have been done years ago. AH would make the perfect Katie Logan. Of course the writing would have to go with it as well. Victoria stopped being a strong business executive, but vulnerable young woman in her personal life long ago. In any case, she is only one of the many symptoms of what went wrong with Y&R since Alden and Smith spiraled into the depths.

Do you think AH is capable of playing Victoria the way she once was? I've seen a few instances over the years where she totally captured the true essence of Victoria as Victor's heir apparent. Perhaps, if the writers would write the character as she used to be, AH could prove she is capable.

Of course, the two shows could do a cast exchange... having Heather Tom come back as Victoria and AH going over to Bold and the Beautiful to play Katie.

In the process, though, Victoria has become unrecognizable for me. I could believe Heather Tom's Victoria as heiress apparent to daddy Victor's empire. AH's Victoria, OTOH, I wouldn't trust to run the 10 Items or Less aisle at Target without melting into tears from overwork.

I wonder myself where the acting begins and where the writing/direction ends with this character's unrecognizable direction?

To me, it seems as if the Victoria character took a wrong turn when they tried to make her this artist painting in Europe. It was unbelievable to be that Victoria with her uptight, type A, business-driven personality would have abandoned all of that and delved into the world of visual arts when she had previously showed no inclination toward artistic endeavor. I would've sooner believed that she had become part of the equestrian/show jumping world, competing in competitions and the Olympics-- at least, Victoria was raised with horses!

Victoria was once this ice princess, like I said before, uptight, type A personality (not that you cannot be type A and artist, but still...) whose full makeup surrounded being her father's heir apparent. Victoria was usually impeccably coiffed (especially the hair) and a bit of an ice maiden. Think Lilith Stern from Cheers & Frasier. I imagined by this time, Victoria Newman would not only be going toe to toe with Adam, Victoria might even have been challenging her own father for dominance of the Newman empire and telling Billy to 'stand back or he might get hurt'. That doesn't mean she would push Victor completely out but she might try to oblige him into more of advisory role, rather than running the day to day. This is totally different from what we're seeing.

I honestly don't know whose fault this is, but it is unfortunate that what we get is a inconsistent rendering of character, at best. Sometimes frazzled and unkempt, sometimes put together with shades of the Victoria this character was seemingly meant to be. Most of the time what we see though, is a overly dependent Daddy's girl who seems mostly okay with letting her father badger her into eventually bending to his will. At her age, I'm mostly not interested in that portrayal.

Victoria dresses like an equestrian quite often!

AH comes off as also too young for the part especially when in scenes with Hambone.

I wonder myself where the acting begins and where the writing/direction ends with this character's unrecognizable direction?

To me, it seems as if the Victoria character took a wrong turn when they tried to make her this artist painting in Europe. It was unbelievable to be that Victoria with her uptight, type A, business-driven personality would have abandoned all of that and delved into the world of visual arts when she had previously showed no inclination toward artistic endeavor. I would've sooner believed that she had become part of the equestrian/show jumping world, competing in competitions and the Olympics-- at least, Victoria was raised with horses!

Victoria was once this ice princess, like I said before, uptight, type A personality (not that you cannot be type A and artist, but still...) whose full makeup surrounded being her father's heir apparent. Victoria was usually impeccably coiffed (especially the hair) and a bit of an ice maiden. Think Lilith Stern from Cheers & Frasier. I imagined by this time, Victoria Newman would not only be going toe to toe with Adam, Victoria might even have been challenging her own father for dominance of the Newman empire and telling Billy to 'stand back or he might get hurt'. That doesn't mean she would push Victor completely out but she might try to oblige him into more of advisory role, rather than running the day to day. This is totally different from what we're seeing.

I honestly don't know whose fault this is, but it is unfortunate that what we get is a inconsistent rendering of character, at best. Sometimes frazzled and unkempt, sometimes put together with shades of the Victoria this character was seemingly meant to be. Most of the time what we see though, is a overly dependent Daddy's girl who seems mostly okay with letting her father badger her into eventually bending to his will. At her age, I'm mostly not interested in that portrayal.

Good stuff, very interesting. Victoria cut her teeth at Newman and was brawling with her father, Brad, Neil, and Nick over accounts or some deal or the other. I will never forget rolling my eyes at the idea that Victoria would ever want to be an artist or work in an art museum. She was always a mess personally with Ryan, Diego, and Cole, but she always stood up to Victor in her personal life. Overall, she was an outstanding soap heroine. Ultimately, it was Heather Tom's talent and ability that pulled off that challenging material allowing us to like Victoria and admire her determination, while occasionally wanting to slap her silly. Heinle has not gotten the interesting material that Tom did, but even if she got it, she is not a particularly talented actress. She is mediocre at best (and I am factoring her previous soap gigs). Her carelessness with Victoria's appearance does not help.

Edited January 12, 201312 yr by Ann_SS

Victoria's appearance is much better recently and I partially blame the crappy hair on George Guzman's because he could've fixed that crappy hair sooner but didn't and always claims that hair looks bad because so and so actor/actress only wants their hair like that.

About that picture it was really unnerving to see Burton right smack in the front next to JFP, even though we all know why that is....

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Not only that, the photo seems to suggest that he was the only cast member that was given lunch. LOL

Anyone who has trouble sleeping at night need only watch Y&R.

Last episode I watched before bedtime and within 15 minutes I was dozing off!

cattykittens: he really was chowing down, wasn't he? (lol)

Edited January 12, 201312 yr by DramatistDreamer

What possesses writers to kill off legacy children like Colleen, Y&R, Georgie, GH, and Bryant, ATWT? It is so freaking shortsighted, but they probably do not value the characters because they did not create them. Oh well.