The show isn't that great but it's at least more watchable than under GW. Garin's GH literally depressed me BUT there were two things I enjoyed: Carly/Shawn and Molly/TJ.

I assume Molly and TJ are still grounded?

Agreed. Wolfe's GH was coma inducing. GH has many issues and far from perfect but its at least watchable to me now and thats something I couldnt say a few months ago

I don't see a big difference in balance - most of the stories are still about Jason/Sonny/Carly. I keep forgetting Patrick is still on the show.

I know I said this before but I think it should be repeated, what else is there? GH doesn't have anything else going for it but the mob. The hospital is completely irrelevant, the Quatermain's dismantled, the Spencer's and Cassadine's are on their last legs if not out right extinct, the Webbers and Scorpio's are there in name only, there is nothing left of this show but an empty husk. GH is the mob, that's the only story there at this point. They've driven everyone else away.

Edited April 15, 201213 yr by Skin

I know I said this before but I think it should be repeated, what else is there? GH doesn't have anything else going for it but the mob. The hospital is completely irrelevant, the Quatermain's dismantled, the Spencer's and Cassadine's are on their last legs if not out right extinct, the Webbers and Scorpio's are there in name only, there is nothing left of this show but an empty husk. GH is the mob, that's the only story there at this point. They've driven everyone else away.

Then do a better job using what is there. The story for Sonny is lazy as hell and Benard is phoning it in worse than ever. The story with Connie is a sick joke. Bringing back the Franco story solely to give Sam the story Natalie had in OLTL's last years is unpleasant and depressing.

They have taken bad characters and made them worse.

Where are Molly and TJ? that story was something I was looking forward too. Did they put on hold bc the guy playing Shawn is doing a movie?

It's an opinion. Even you've said that you are only watching for the OLTL characters, and you think the rest of the show is terrible.

I think GH has been awful since somewhere around 1999. But I don't see any big change with "Cartini". They are continuing most of Guza's pet issues, aside from Luke. The only real difference is that now child killing is more of a joke.

I'll definitely agree with you about the show tanking since 1999, but the difference between what I endured with Guza and what I see with Cartini is that the latter is writing entertaining soap while the former was far from being that. Again, not an opinion, but a fact.

As for child-killing being a joke now, that's an ironic statement, considering that the killing of Jake (a WTD contrivance I didn't even care about in the first place) was an awful joke of a storyline that blatantly jacked the far superior BJ/Maxie story. Last I checked, the brilliant mind behind that was Bob Guza.

That's not a fact and the ratings show.

Nope, it's a fact.

Guza sucked and there's no denying that, despite the blatant attempts to rewrite or canonize his history of this show's hack.

As for child-killing being a joke now, that's an ironic statement, considering that the killing of Jake (a WTD contrivance I didn't even care about in the first place) was an awful joke of a storyline that blatantly jacked the far superior BJ/Maxie story. Last I checked, the brilliant mind behind that was Bob Guza.

The storyline sucked, and I think it is one of the tackiest, nastiest stories ever on TV. But I don't believe we were supposed to laugh. We are actually supposed to laugh at Connie killing a young man and a toddler.

I'll definitely agree with you about the show tanking since 1999, but the difference between what I endured with Guza and what I see with Cartini is that the latter is writing entertaining soap while the former was far from being that. Again, not an opinion, but a fact.

As for child-killing being a joke now, that's an ironic statement, considering that the killing of Jake (a WTD contrivance I didn't even care about in the first place) was an awful joke of a storyline that blatantly jacked the far superior BJ/Maxie story. Last I checked, the brilliant mind behind that was Bob Guza.

Nope, it's a fact.

Guza sucked and there's no denying that, despite the blatant attempts to rewrite or canonize his history of this show's hack.

I never denied Guza sucked however RC being great and his version being better is not a fact especially since he's writing alot of the same crap Guza did. Why is the crap suddenly better because Rc's name is on it?

Here's my question: is Frons still around and actively "involved" with GH? If he is, then it might explain why GH continues to suck. If he has, er, transitioned already, though, then it proves only that some hacks don't need a micromanaging freak from on high to come up with a crappy "vision" for a particular show.

Frons has been gone since January. Vicki Drummer is charge of ABCD and she specializes in non scripted programming so unless it's a budgetary issue FV/RC are behind every decision.

This is ridiculous. This conversation is going in circles.

May I enter into evidence the fact that this week in this thread has brought pages upon pages of discussion about the Emma actress, her parents and their ethnic background -- and now pages of "discussion" (if you can call Obsessive Fangurl Trolling a discussion) of Magic Cartini vs. Regimes Past... and very little discussion about this week's actual shows, themselves? If the material on air was actually entertaining, I doubt these side conversations would monopolizing the thread.

This is ridiculous. This conversation is going in circles.

May I enter into evidence the fact that this week in this thread has brought pages upon pages of discussion about the Emma actress, her parents and their ethnic background -- and now pages of "discussion" (if you can call Obsessive Fangurl Trolling a discussion) of Magic Cartini vs. Regimes Past... and very little discussion about this week's actual shows, themselves? If the material on air was actually entertaining, I doubt these side conversations would monopolizing the thread.

BRAVO! The fact that regimes are being discussed more than the actual show speaks volumes! Too much time is spent defending The Destroyers and the shitfest they have created! Cartini should have come in and hit the ground running. Instead they repeat Guza's crap as they change the GH characters to fit the OL format. I've watched 6 minutes in over a month, and that was all I needed to see. I hardly recognize the GH characters, and the lighting on this show is absolutely blinding! I need shades for this crap! Anyhow, it's abundantly clear that Cartini are not the regime to helm GH as they don't know or care about its characters. They see this extension possibly given by ABC as a second shot at OLTL. I'll pass!

My intent wasn't to prove your point, but I needed to get that off my chest, and add: the little time this show has left s/b about GH and not a OLTL reboot! I hope GMA Summer does well!

ANDREA

Edited April 15, 201213 yr by ChitHappens

lol at Sam making threats towards Heather. Bitch go sit down. You have no idea who your messing with.

Sam made threats toward Heather? Really? [/Y&R's Phyllis Newman]

Seriously, where's a lazy susan and a glass of spiked iced tea when you need them?

I would LOOOOOVE to see Heather off Sam and Olivia with one swoop.

Maybe Reron will have Heather steal their hearts to sell on the Black Market.(DAYS fans know what I'm talking about)