4 hours ago, KMan101 said:

I feel like a lot of women who write for soaps have misogyny in their writing. Sadly. 

 

This is not just a feeling, this is a fact!

It was as if many of the women writers on daytime soaps felt they had something to prove and as a result, had to be harder-charging, coarser and more brutal in their characterization and that would somehow prove their "mettle" by being especially cutting in their writing of women characters (a warped quest against being accused of being partial maybe?). It's really a shame because a writer who is a man feels perfectly entitled to write a man who is sensitive with many sides to his personality with many twists and turns in how he is written, meanwhile so many of the women characters will absolutely be savaged, under the pen of writers who are both men and women. Such a shame.

6 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

This is not just a feeling, this is a fact!

It was as if many of the women writers on daytime soaps felt they had something to prove and as a result, had to be harder-charging, coarser and more brutal in their characterization and that would somehow prove their "mettle" by being especially cutting in their writing of women characters (a warped quest against being accused of being partial maybe?). It's really a shame because a writer who is a man feels perfectly entitled to write a man who is sensitive with many sides to his personality with many twists and turns in how he is written, meanwhile so many of the women characters will absolutely be savaged, under the pen of writers who are both men and women. Such a shame.

 

Interesting perspective. Thanks, DD!

2 hours ago, victoria foxton said:

Alan disappeared 🤣

Haha...I haven't seen it yet. 

That's why the 80s and early 90s on GL we were blessed with Long and Curlee that wrote strong Male and female characters of varying layers and dimensions...with active work lives, love lives, friendships, and friendships.

3 hours ago, Mitch said:

LOL..okay, I am beating a dead horse...

 

I guess I should have hung it up after I (supposedly) made Frankie D's wife cry about what I had to say about the Coopers.

I remember not believing how much misogyny was in Westen's writing...she was an older woman..and she has Cassie screwing the man who tired to kill her sister and her nephew, Reva supporting it, Jeffery O'Neil acting like a woman hating ass and it was supposed to be HOT..The Garden of Eden plot line where Marina, who at that time was a tough cookie, had to be saved of course by little twink Shayne...and the worst, Alex turned from the savy Joan Collins ball buster, into a drug dealing woman in bed with the mob who drugged her own brother (instead of using her brains to keep her power) who ultimately was beat by something stupid (a camera she would have know about) and forced to whimper while Alan gloated..then became this annoying shrew that no wanted to be around.

 

Lordy. It was all so degrading. 

 

Weston's stint was such a turn off. It was so so so bad. 

1 hour ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

This is not just a feeling, this is a fact!

It was as if many of the women writers on daytime soaps felt they had something to prove and as a result, had to be harder-charging, coarser and more brutal in their characterization and that would somehow prove their "mettle" by being especially cutting in their writing of women characters (a warped quest against being accused of being partial maybe?). It's really a shame because a writer who is a man feels perfectly entitled to write a man who is sensitive with many sides to his personality with many twists and turns in how he is written, meanwhile so many of the women characters will absolutely be savaged, under the pen of writers who are both men and women. Such a shame.

You're absolutely right - it is a fact. And it really is a shame.

 

1 hour ago, Soaplovers said:

That's why the 80s and early 90s on GL we were blessed with Long and Curlee that wrote strong Male and female characters of varying layers and dimensions...with active work lives, love lives, friendships, and friendships.

 

Very blessed. I'm so happy I was able to see a lot of it, thanks to YouTube. Sadly a lot of it seems to be gone now.

4 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

This is not just a feeling, this is a fact!

It was as if many of the women writers on daytime soaps felt they had something to prove and as a result, had to be harder-charging, coarser and more brutal in their characterization and that would somehow prove their "mettle" by being especially cutting in their writing of women characters (a warped quest against being accused of being partial maybe?). It's really a shame because a writer who is a man feels perfectly entitled to write a man who is sensitive with many sides to his personality with many twists and turns in how he is written, meanwhile so many of the women characters will absolutely be savaged, under the pen of writers who are both men and women. Such a shame.

 

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

Went back to see the beginning of the Locher Room livestream with Maureen Garrett, Rick Hearst and Amelia Marshall and that part where they all talk about the forest fires in California and wonder what will happen next 😳. Just a few hours later.

I am glad that Amelia got to talk about working with Vince Williams and how special the Gilly/Hamp wedding. I wish Alan hadn't interrupted.

 

Interesting to hear about the resistance to the Jessica and Duncan relationship on ATWT. It makes me wonder Marland's other story featuring a Black family faced resistance that perhaps Marland couldn't overcome.

Sad to remember how lacking in courage the executives behind these shows could be.

Still, I enjoyed this livestream discussion and the openness of the discussion, especially the social issues like BLM and LGBTQ and election/voting issues.

 

Damn Kathy, get a grip! Was Bill always that much of a sad sack?

21 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Still, I enjoyed this livestream discussion and the openness of the discussion, especially the social issues like BLM and LGBTQ and election/voting issues.

 

I haven't made the time to watch yet. I need to. I'm really looking forward to this one. Sounds like a nice discussion?

1 hour ago, Bright Eyes said:

Damn Kathy, get a grip! Was Bill always that much of a sad sack?

 

Edited October 5, 20205 yr by Bill Bauer

21 minutes ago, KMan101 said:

 

I haven't made the time to watch yet. I need to. I'm really looking forward to this one. Sounds like a nice discussion?

 

Surprisingly candid, considering how reigned-in most of the discussions had been previously on this particular YouTube channel. I missed a portion of the actual livestream so I went back to watch yesterday when I had time to sit down and watch (rather than while multi-tasking).

1 hour ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

Surprisingly candid, considering how reigned-in most of the discussions had been previously on this particular YouTube channel. I missed a portion of the actual livestream so I went back to watch yesterday when I had time to sit down and watch (rather than while multi-tasking).

 

Yeah, I usually watch a lot of things while multi-tasking so if it's a good one I like to take the time to watch it. And then they end up piling up, lol.

 

But that's great to hear. I expected it to be good considering the actors involved. 

1 hour ago, KMan101 said:

 

I haven't made the time to watch yet. I need to. I'm really looking forward to this one. Sounds like a nice discussion?

Same...I haven't had a chance to watch it.