I suspect he's straight as an arrow. He's just f*cking to get away with something. Dudes do in prison all the time. They're not gay. They're holding their nose and using the most convenient receptacle.

In this case, it is not even a need for sexual release. It is about disarming a potential threat. This is NOT a gay story. Or a bi story. And I won't believe it is until I see that it is. I think this is another beautiful red herring. People are keeping their eyes on Adam for the "gay" story, but I'll bet the real gay story is around the corner, and has nothing to do with Adam.

This story involves a gay character(Rafe)! It involves gay sex(Adam and Rafe)! How is this NOT a gay story?

And please, give me a break. Adam is not "in prison." He's on house arrest. If he can get away with telling Victor Newman, of all people, some lie, surely to God he can get away with telling Rafe a lie without having sex with him.

We're talking about a young man who grew up in Kansas, a red state, a conservative area of the country. *IF* he isn't gay or bisexual or the least bit curious, why would a farm boy who grew up with a "God fearing" mother and stepfather suddenly turn into some raging psychopath overnight who would [!@#$%^&*] anything to get his way and get what he wants?

I know we don't know ALOT about Adam's background, but it just doesn't add up. And a sudden "twist" where we do find out he was abused(physically or sexually) is not going to suffice at a later stage in the game, when they decide they want to keep Michael Muhney.

I suspect he's straight as an arrow. He's just f*cking to get away with something. Dudes do in prison all the time. They're not gay. They're holding their nose and using the most convenient receptacle.

In this case, it is not even a need for sexual release. It is about disarming a potential threat. This is NOT a gay story. Or a bi story. And I won't believe it is until I see that it is. I think this is another beautiful red herring. People are keeping their eyes on Adam for the "gay" story, but I'll bet the real gay story is around the corner, and has nothing to do with Adam.

The notion that Adam might f*ck Rafe just to shut him up...I'm loving that idea with everything!

Yeah, I agree with you for the most part. It's certainly not a gay love story. If the idea is that any story involving a gay character is a gay story then this is a gay story. But the way I see it this is a psycho manipulation story. Taken to extremes we don't usually get on daytime, no doubt. But how many gay men do you know that were married and/or have children? That doesn't mean they are straight or even bi, just like Adam screwing Rafe to save his own ass does not mean he is gay or bi. It's too bad that he's being played for a fool, but it happens to straight characters every day. After Rafe is used up and spit out by Adam I believe his Prince Charming will come along and make it all better.

Yeah, I agree with you for the most part. It's certainly not a gay love story. If the idea is that any story involving a gay character is a gay story then this is a gay story. But the way I see it this is a psycho manipulation story. Taken to extremes we don't usually get on daytime, no doubt. But how many gay men do you know that were married and/or have children? That doesn't mean they are straight or even bi, just like Adam screwing Rafe to save his own ass does not mean he is gay or bi. It's too bad that he's being played for a fool, but it happens to straight characters every day. After Rafe is used up and spit out by Adam I believe his Prince Charming will come along and make it all better.

If Rafe turns his back on the aunt he's supposed to be devoted to all for some sex with insane Adam, I'm not sure how many viewers will care about him finding his Prince Charming. Even Heather, who is consistently written as being smug and dumb as a post, probably engenders more viewer sympathy, because unlike Rafe, they spent time showing her feelings for Adam.

Gay men who have children but aren't straight or bi, most of them at one time believed or wanted to believe they were straight, or were interested in women.

I don't buy that an upstanding guy like Rafe, who considers Estella to be "like a mother" to him would shun her just because of some amazing sex with Adam. Again, it;s totally ridiculous storytelli8ng that dumbs down a character that's already poorly defined, but from everything we've seen, we know he's very ethical and that he lives his family. So, for them to have Rafe keep quite because of some scandalous affair with Adam is just nonsense and badly thought out writing that only serves for "shock and "awe" purposes, nothing with substance.

I don't buy that an upstanding guy like Rafe, who considers Estella to be "like a mother" to him would shun her just because of some amazing sex with Adam.

A good humping will do that to you.

If Rafe turns his back on the aunt he's supposed to be devoted to all for some sex with insane Adam, I'm not sure how many viewers will care about him finding his Prince Charming. Even Heather, who is consistently written as being smug and dumb as a post, probably engenders more viewer sympathy, because unlike Rafe, they spent time showing her feelings for Adam.

Gay men who have children but aren't straight or bi, most of them at one time believed or wanted to believe they were straight, or were interested in women.

Right, but I guess I see wanting to avoid Victor's wrath as at least as a good a motivation to have sex with a man as wanting to believe you are straight. Maybe Adam simply isn't disgusted by men. He might not be excited about having sex with a man, but it doesn't disgust him, so he's willing to go there to save his own ass. I'm sorry, but I have no same sex attraction at all, however if my options were going to PRISON for 10 years or having sex with Heather, I'd make it work with Heather. I guess that's just me.

We really don't know how Adam works Rafe yet. Adam may just manipulate Rafe and convince him that he is innocent. I haven't seen anything that says Rafe knows the truth and betrays Estella anyway.

It might be a big turd of a storyline after all, but I think you guys are jumping to too many conclusions, too fast. Not that it won't suck, but I'm just sayin'....

This story involves a gay character(Rafe)! It involves gay sex(Adam and Rafe)! How is this NOT a gay story?

And please, give me a break. Adam is not "in prison." He's on house arrest. If he can get away with telling Victor Newman, of all people, some lie, surely to God he can get away with telling Rafe a lie without having sex with him.

We're talking about a young man who grew up in Kansas, a red state, a conservative area of the country. *IF* he isn't gay or bisexual or the least bit curious, why would a farm boy who grew up with a "God fearing" mother and stepfather suddenly turn into some raging psychopath overnight who would [!@#$%^&*] anything to get his way and get what he wants?

I know we don't know ALOT about Adam's background, but it just doesn't add up. And a sudden "twist" where we do find out he was abused(physically or sexually) is not going to suffice at a later stage in the game, when they decide they want to keep Michael Muhney.

there is so much wrong with this that i dont even know where to begin.

there is so much wrong with this that i dont even know where to begin.

[Ashley Abbott]Well then why don't you just get to the point and tell me what's on your mind?[/Ashley Abbott]

Edited June 25, 200916 yr by bellcurve

If Rafe turns his back on the aunt he's supposed to be devoted to all for some sex with insane Adam, I'm not sure how many viewers will care about him finding his Prince Charming. Even Heather, who is consistently written as being smug and dumb as a post, probably engenders more viewer sympathy, because unlike Rafe, they spent time showing her feelings for Adam.

It's not a matter of Rafe throwing his aunt under the bus for sex with Adam. Rafe already did not believe Adam was physically capable of the gaslighting (Keep in mind, Rafe does NOT know about Adam slipping off the bracelet) Rafe also does not know Adam is faking his blindness (although his blindness will be real at some point) so realistically, it's a stretch for Rafe to beleive Adam has done all this, even Nikki, who is most suspicious, can't conceieve that Adam did it on his own, she thinks he has an accomplice. WE must separate what WE THE VIEWER know about the SL, as opposed to what the CHARACTERS KNOW. I think Rafe might have a inkling of suspicion, but he didn't before, it was planted there by Nikki. but faced with Adam having "feelings" for him, perhaps Adam just might convince Rafe that there's no possible way he's behind it, just like he's convinced Ashley. He convinced Ashley pretty thoroughly... and he's just her friend (supposedly). Considering Adam is going to tell Rafe (Someone who already has a crush on him) that he cares about him.... a nice piece of dick is a pretty good way to dispel any suspicions Rafe might have. If adam APPEARS to care for Rafe, and make love to him, and show him tenderness... why would Rafe continue to suspect him? Especially when Rafe is ignorant of the bracelet removal and faking blindness.

Edited June 26, 200916 yr by alphanguy74

It's not a matter of Rafe throwing his aunt under the bus for sex with Adam. Rafe already did not believe Adam was physically capable of the gaslighting (Keep in mind, Rafe does NOT know about Adam slipping off the bracelet) Rafe also does not know Adam is faking his blindness (although his blindness will be real at some point) so realistically, it's a stretch for Rafe to beleive Adam has done all this, even Nikki, who is most suspicious, can't conceieve that Adam did it on his own, she thinks he has an accomplice. WE must separate what WE THE VIEWER know about the SL, as opposed to what the CHARACTERS KNOW. I think Rafe might have a inkling of suspicion, but he didn't before, it was planted there by Nikki. but faced with Adam having "feelings" for him, perhaps Adam just might convince Rafe that there's no possible way he's behind it, just like he's convinced Ashley. He convinced Ashley pretty thoroughly... and he's just her friend (supposedly). Considering Adam is going to tell Rafe (Someone who already has a crush on him) that he cares about him.... a nice piece of dick is a pretty good way to dispel any suspicions Rafe might have. If adam APPEARS to care for Rafe, and make love to him, and show him tenderness... why would Rafe continue to suspect him? Especially when Rafe is ignorant of the bracelet removal and faking blindness.

The spoilers say Rafe begins to suspect Adam and wants to search his room. Then Adam suddenly, very conveniently, declares feelings for him. From those spoilers, it sounds like the show has set up a situation where Rafe's very genuine doubts about Adam stop because Adam puts the moves on him. If Rafe stops all suspicion of Adam just because Adam suddenly claims to want him, then I think it will come across as Rafe choosing sex and a very sad version of love (hey, this guy with mental issues and suddenly loves me right when I'm about to investigate him -- of course I have to go along) over his aunt. If that's how it plays out, then I can't blame viewers for not believing Rafe deserves any Prince Charming.

Edited June 26, 200916 yr by CarlD2

The spoilers say Rafe begins to suspect Adam and wants to search his room. Then Adam suddenly, very conveniently, declares feelings for him. From those spoilers, it sounds like the show has set up a situation where Rafe's very genuine doubts about Adam stop because Adam puts the moves on him. If Rafe stops all suspicion of Adam just because Adam suddenly claims to want him, then I think it will come across as Rafe choosing sex and a very sad version of love (hey, this guy with mental issues and suddenly loves me right when I'm about to investigate him -- of course I have to go along) over his aunt. If that's how it plays out, then I can't blame viewers for not believing Rafe deserves any Prince Charming.

Carl, I really don't think it's gonna play that way. True, the spoilers talk about Rafe wanting to search Adam's room... but Rafe has not been confronted with any CONCRETE evidence, only suspicions planted there by Nikki. I'm saying that Rafe will only be soiled in the eyes of the fans if he is confronted with obvious evidence, and still protects Adam. It's a matter of Adam dispelling the suspicions planted by Nikki, and I think it won't take much convincing... considering Rafe didn't even entertain the idea that Adam was behind all this until Nikki spoke to him after the hearing today. It will just be a matter of Rafe disregarding Nikki's suspicions because Adam is showing him love and tenderness.. and it's hard to believe that someone that could show you that love would be a monster. We'll see how it plays out.

Rafe's Confession

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMTPaEJpNpM

Edited June 26, 200916 yr by TheDSA

Carl, I really don't think it's gonna play that way. True, the spoilers talk about Rafe wanting to search Adam's room... but Rafe has not been confronted with any CONCRETE evidence, only suspicions planted there by Nikki. I'm saying that Rafe will only be soiled in the eyes of the fans if he is confronted with obvious evidence, and still protects Adam. It's a matter of Adam dispelling the suspicions planted by Nikki, and I think it won't take much convincing... considering Rafe didn't even entertain the idea that Adam was behind all this until Nikki spoke to him after the hearing today. It will just be a matter of Rafe disregarding Nikki's suspicions because Adam is showing him love and tenderness.. and it's hard to believe that someone that could show you that love would be a monster. We'll see how it plays out.

IA with both of your posts. We'll see how the actors sell it, but I can see the minimal suspicions that Rafe has being shut down by Adam. For God's sake, Adam has fooled TGVN! What chance does poor Rafe have of resisting his manipulations. None at all (YOU GOT THAT!).

IA with both of your posts. We'll see how the actors sell it, but I can see the minimal suspicions that Rafe has being shut down by Adam. For God's sake, Adam has fooled TGVN! What chance does poor Rafe have of resisting his manipulations. None at all (YOU GOT THAT!).

Victor has a truckload of baggage which comes into play when he's around Adam. Rafe doesn't. Rafe barely knows him, and the opportunity to build up a bond between them was ignored by the show. Based on what the show has told so far, I don't find it believable that he'd become an Adam devotee because Adam confesses his love. I think with the limited story we've seen, Rafe would be wary of someone who is obviously not all there and who suddenly wants him right when Rafe was beginning to be suspicious.

I'm not trying to say the chemistry can't be there or that it isn't nice to see two attractive actors share passion or yearning. I sound like the Grinch when I go on about this story. I am going to try to separate my doubts from the passion many seem to be feeling.