Members Sylph Posted June 21, 2009 Members Share Posted June 21, 2009 Remind me who were these people? Anyway, it's just that whenever I see Lows in the Mid-Eighties or the Friends episode he wrote... I think: soap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rhythmchyc Posted June 21, 2009 Members Share Posted June 21, 2009 If people can't interact because of money then there's no way all these storylines will be logical. But with news that Eva and Vail going recurring I don't see why this show won't hurry it along with the rest of the useless cast. And if one actor is shooting multiple scripts in one day they need to plan ahead better. There's literally no reason Della Reese shouldn't've been at the adoption proceedings and she should've been where Tyra went to cry to when she lost Ana. Obviously the same goes with Noah who should've been in scenes instead of Summer and Heather, Nikki, and Rafe all under Adam's a--. Money as the deterrant really makes me feel sorry for TPTB. That said, whatever strategy they're using just doesn't work in handling the cast. And I don't understand why they couldn't use the Marge/Kay storyline as a blueprint for mapping out every single storyline on Y&R. They've copy/pasted bad ideas. Why not good ones? And I don't mean the literal s/l I mean the structure of it from beginning to end. The pacing, modern topics discussed, longterm effect on characters, romance, nod to history, creativity, strong, smart female lead in the center, should be applied to everything on the show. I don't know what inspired this story but it needs to inspire others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeeeDee Posted June 21, 2009 Members Share Posted June 21, 2009 No she hasn't. They did. Not at all. Not really. Nope. The canvas & Billy need Mackenzie. But there are two problems. 1. Maria wants to push the couple over the individual characters 2. EH is liked so Chloe gets a free pass she doesn't deserve at the expense of other legacy characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeeeDee Posted June 21, 2009 Members Share Posted June 21, 2009 Equal opportunity means equally bad writing. lol Exactly. Amber & Jana have gotten more story than Mackenzie, Colleen, Chloe & Abby combined. Yep. Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members YRBB Posted June 21, 2009 Members Share Posted June 21, 2009 Do you mean Joe Keenan? Anyways, I loved Joe Keenan's Bang... I thought it was above brilliant.... And I thought he played a big part on why DH Season 3 was so great. (at least IMO). I wouldn't be against trying it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted June 21, 2009 Members Share Posted June 21, 2009 Lows in the Mid-Eighties is a cult episode from Will & Grace. It was written by Jeff Greenstein, who also did something similar on Friends. Regarding Joe Keenan, who I mentioned above, and his episode... That episode was many things, but it wasn't DH. It completely stood out from the rest. It was excellent, but it wasn't DH. And I don't know if it's a good thing. Because when you're hired, you're required to write in the style & tone of the show who hired you. This was way too auteurial. But I think he would be an interesting choice, which is why I suggested him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted June 21, 2009 Members Share Posted June 21, 2009 Even though not really my kind of writer, whose shows weren't my type of shows at all (Six Feet Under), and whose American Beauty I don't see as groundbreaking at all, I would be interested to see what would "death-obsessed" Alan Ball do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members YRBB Posted June 21, 2009 Members Share Posted June 21, 2009 Thanks, I will make sure to check them out... I've seen all from FRIENDS, do you remember which one he wrote? Hmmm... I actually never saw it that way. I saw it as taking the style and tone Marc Cherry wanted and presenting it in its best, most sophisticated, and less crappy way. But, if he indeed cannot follow the tone and style, that could be very hurtful. Anyway, all this is just speculation, but I really did love the suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted June 21, 2009 Members Share Posted June 21, 2009 I think the Thanksgiving episode was called The One Where Underdog Gets Away. He sure did: that's precisely what I was saying. The episode was thoroughly cleansed of campy excess and a lot grittier. There was a certain lack of fun, tons of black humour and it all somehow deviated from the formula... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alphanguy74 Posted June 21, 2009 Members Share Posted June 21, 2009 Actually, I would really be on board for Meg Bennett to play a big part in the writing of this show. I wouldn't have problem ONE with them ditching Sheffer and replacing him with Meg Bennett. I suppose the main reason I want Maria there (If nothing else as Executive producer) is that she is family, she knows the history, and she CARES. But I like the idea of putting OTHER people with her, besides Hamner and Sheffer, and see what clicks. When she was interviewed on soaptalk a couple years ago, she talked about how she wrote and acted on the show at the same time, although she said Bill Bell would NEVER let her write for her own character, that was strictly forbidden. However... in the same interview, she heavily PIMPED her husband's work, saying how wonderful it was. I wans't sure how to take it.... was she just supporting her husband in public, or should I seriously question her taste level? She's still a gorgeous lady.... I have her leggs pantyhose commercial from 1977 on tape, cute as hell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members Darn Posted June 21, 2009 Members Share Posted June 21, 2009 Gloria has been backburnered. That's what I wanted when I quit 2 years ago and I finally got it so I'm happy. I'd rather watch Y&R and say "That was a good episode" or "That was a great week" then watch any other soap and over praise a single scene because someone acted in character for one piece of dialogue. Right now I'd say Y&R is mediocre to great. The art crap = mediocre, Adam's revenge = alright, the mystery of P3 = great. It's not perfect but it's watchable and has me waiting for what happens next. That sense of anticipation has returned. 3. Clementine Ford can't act for [!@#$%^&*]. I completely understand why Mac is back, you simply can't unrelate Jill and Kay and NOT handle the Mac and Billy aspect of the story, it would be disingenuous to the characters and to the viewers. Funnily enough I've thought for a while that Mac should have just been Katie, the only aspect of the story they would have had to change was Brock being her father, Kay could have still been a surrogate grandmother to her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lovely_m Posted June 21, 2009 Members Share Posted June 21, 2009 I think MAB has Amber in position to be the next Nikki. They write for her character because TPTB love Adrienne Frnatz. On another message board someone has said that Amber is Hogan's favorite character, but I have no idea how much truth there is to that. If I were to have my guess I would say that the Scoobies are Maria's favorite young adult characters. If they don't write for the legacy character they would probably blame it on the casting. This Amber thing reminds me of an article I read: http://snarkweighsin.blog-city.com/swicolumn3.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Faulkner Posted June 21, 2009 Members Share Posted June 21, 2009 OT: What ever happened to Snark? Has he simply had it with soaps? I like Adrienne Frantz - actually I don't mind any of the Scoobies as actors - but the writers don't seem to know what to do with them other than the same lame capers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Aback Posted June 21, 2009 Members Share Posted June 21, 2009 I think CF is capable, but she has no clue whatsoever about who Mac is. She has no direction at all. It doesn't help that the writers can only manage to give Mac two lines a episode. How are you supposed to develop a character when said character doesn't even --ugh!-- speak? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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