I think the difference with Pence is Trump's cult members, didn't vote for Pence they voted for Trump and those who wanted to shake up and blow up Washington didn't vote for Pence. I don't think the fanatical right will have the same kind of passionate support they have for Trump. And it's not like Pence is not involved.

 

I had a suspicion the Intelligence Community was going to be Trump's downfall and it's astounding that these people believed they could out maneuver them, especially Bannon, who I frankly may not be Einstein but isn't stupid. The question I have is the FBI and what was going on there to help throw the election to Trump. It seems they and the FBI are at odds. There are a couple of journalists out there who believe that there is a contingent in the bureau who helped Russia set up Weiner and caused that whole episode with the emails being found on his computer, even to the point where it's possible they worked in setting Weiner up from the beginning with the girl. That last part seems far fetched but after reading Louise Mensch's article, it's certainly possible.

I read about how the Today show was using that clip of penis head to promote themselves. With that mindset she will continue to be employed by all the networks. 

Nah. She's an object of open mockery and derision now; CNN refused her for the SOTU weekend and amazingly, even Morning Joe has declared they will not book her again.

51 minutes ago, Roman said:

it is honestly difficult to keep up with all the F ups, lies, slanders and deflections from this admin. I was born a year after Nixon was in office, so all I know about him I learned later on. but from what I've been asking my elders, they say to a person that this whole episode is reminding them of Nixon, with one caveat.....they say Nixon at least had enough sense to run the gov. some experience to do some legislation and such. they feel Trump is wholeheartedly incompetent, doesn't want want to be there, never wanted the job...and a few think he may be doing all this on purpose so he can resign. IF it is proven that Pence knew all this as well, he'll follow him out the door. 

That writeup by Rather shows the parallels. And while people, me included, think the GOP are cowards and such, Nixon initially had the support of his party because they felt he was controllable. And at the end of the day we saw how that turned out. But the dripping of info, the firing by Nixon of Cox and then the subsequent resignations by the AG, the attempt to discredit the media, all there. But while Nixon suffered from paranoia and delusions, he was functionally competent and he did govern.

12 minutes ago, JaneAusten said:

I had a suspicion the Intelligence Community was going to be Trump's downfall and it's astounding that these people believed they could out maneuver them, especially Bannon, who I frankly may not be Einstein but isn't stupid. The question I have is the FBI and what was going on there to help throw the election to Trump. It seems they and the FBI are at odds. There are a couple of journalists out there who believe that there is a contingent in the bureau who helped Russia set up Weiner and caused that whole episode with the emails being found on his computer, even to the point where it's possible they worked in setting Weiner up from the beginning with the girl. That last part seems far fetched but after reading Louise Mensch's article, it's certainly possible.

 

That's what it is - a contingent in the New York office which has been quasi-rogue and in communication with Giuliani over the years.

 

I don't trust Louise Mensch. Never have. Seems like a strange person, something flamboyant perhaps used as a stalking horse for Russian counter-intelligence (it's not unheard of; even now, professional leftists like Glenn Greenwald, Ed Schultz, etc. are spinning for Russia and decrying these leaks, ironically enough). I don't think their finding Weiner was anything but a great coincidental opportunity, not a grand conspiracy.

Edited February 15, 20178 yr by Vee

Kellyanne will continue to be used on shows, under the guise that she's admin staff, until she gets booted (if she gets booted) or reassigned to a position with no media contact.

 

She's an easy way for Jake Tapper, Matt Lauer, and whoever else to show that they are journalists in pursuit of the truth since it's a given that she's going to lie about something.  It's a lazy cheap way for them to get ratings.  CNN declined to have her on that one day but quickly got her on with a geared up Jake Tapper.  I read something about this yesterday and how it makes them appear to be journalistic heroes. 

I vaguely remember reading an article where Ted Turner said he had expressed the hope that CNN would end up being run by an independent company, similar to PBS (but presumably with little to no dependence on government funding in contrast).

 

In an Op-ed piece I read sometime last month or so, essentially the same hope was expressed and that CNN might have a chance at restoring the integrity it once had but lost from the public.

Edited February 15, 20178 yr by DramatistDreamer

1 hour ago, Wales2004 said:

Kellyanne will continue to be used on shows, under the guise that she's admin staff, until she gets booted (if she gets booted) or reassigned to a position with no media contact.

 

She's an easy way for Jake Tapper, Matt Lauer, and whoever else to show that they are journalists in pursuit of the truth since it's a given that she's going to lie about something.  It's a lazy cheap way for them to get ratings.  CNN declined to have her on that one day but quickly got her on with a geared up Jake Tapper.  I read something about this yesterday and how it makes them appear to be journalistic heroes. 

I'm no where near ready to award CNN or any network for any kind of Profile in Courage award. It's all for ratings as it was last year. I am prepared to recognize those who were consistent like The Guardian and yes even the Post to some extent. I still won't give the New York TImes one penny.

3 hours ago, Vee said:

Mike Pence has all the charisma of off-brand toilet paper.

 

Except off-brand toilet paper doesn't chafe your ass nearly as much.  Just ask the men who've had sex with Miss Pence.

LMAO

 

 

 

I don't how much to believe this but it's a lovely thought.

 

Impeachment is so going to happen. I think a new election needs to be held once that happens.

I wouldn't get my hopes up for impeachment.  As long as the GOP can push their destructive agendas through Congress, they won't touch Trump.  They'll just keep picking off his minions, one by one, in the hopes of containing him.

If the evidence is strong, impeachment will be unavoidable. There isn't precedent for new elections, but that power would definitely lie with Congress as well.

There's not going to be a new election. Even if Trump is impeached, the GOP still runs the table and all they care about is power.