3 hours ago, marceline said:

It's not the fault of Democrats that this country is full of racists, sexists, and people who are happy to embrace authoritarianism. It's time for people to realize that the electorate is the problem. There isn't some magic formula that Democrats have to use that will reverse what these people want for this country. A lot of people in this country want a white nationalist country and want authoritarianism. They don't want democracy. The don't want to share this country with the rest of us. That isn't about Democratic messaging it's about the electorate. Blaming Democrats for "letting it get this close" is just another way of trying to fool ourselves. Millions of people in this country hate us and would happily kill us all if they could get away with it.

 

You're right, @marceline.  I really shouldn't lay ALL our problems at the Democratic Party's feet.  We have to take some responsibility, too, for being such a rotten electorate.

 

And you're right, too, @Vee: a win is still a win -- sigh -- and I guess I should focus on that.

 

But...I gotta tell ya...part of me still feels disappointed and discouraged, nevertheless.

2 minutes ago, Khan said:

But...I gotta tell ya...part of me still feels disappointed and discouraged, nevertheless.

 

I know how you feel. So do I. How people who have witnessed his epic failing to contain covid, his racism, the way he treats women, his lack of taxpaying, putting down veterans and his overall personality can still vote for him boggles my mind.

 

Still, weren't we all told from childhood to stand up to bullies? No one ever thought that the bully would be POTUS, but that's why we had to use our best and nonviolent weapon - our vote.

 

 

@Khanthere's nothing wrong with feeling discouraged. As Gwyneth Alden once said, we took the armor off our hearts, and we let hope come in. The good thing is that, unlike Gwyneth, Amelia Heinle cannot actually kill us, even if some of her Y&R work suggests otherwise.

And we do have things to be hopeful for. We're winning. We might even have still have a shot at the Senate.

20 minutes ago, Khan said:

But...I gotta tell ya...part of me still feels disappointed and discouraged, nevertheless.

 

Of course. It's terrifying to realize how many truly, deeply, evil so many of our fellow Americans are but we need to face it for our own survival.

Michigan!! Woohoo!!  Just one more state! 

11 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

@Khanthere's nothing wrong with feeling discouraged. As Gwyneth Alden once said, we took the armor off our hearts, and we let hope come in. The good thing is that, unlike Gwyneth, Amelia Heinle cannot actually kill us, even if some of her Y&R work suggests otherwise.

Sad But True!!! 

6 minutes ago, Vee said:

And we do have things to be hopeful for. We're winning. We might even have still have a shot at the Senate.

That is doubtful. They are only at 46 but at least the incumbent Democrat Senator Peters finally went ahead of the Republican candidate when Biden got Michigan (but it an extremely narrow lead).  Two senate races may go to runoffs.  Not sure who else the Dems can get.

 

If Biden wins Arizona and Nevada he will have exactly 270 electoral votes and will not need to worry about the rest.

Can someone please clarify the status of Arizona?  CNN and NBC have not called it (for Biden) but the Associated Press has.  Is Arizona "confirmed" for Biden? 

5 minutes ago, Daphne said:

Can someone please clarify the status of Arizona?  CNN and NBC have not called it (for Biden) but the Associated Press has.  Is Arizona "confirmed" for Biden? 

Edited November 4, 20205 yr by Darcy

17 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

The good thing is that, unlike Gwyneth, Amelia Heinle cannot actually kill us, even if some of her Y&R work suggests otherwise.