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      Debunking the rumors and outright lies about Hurricane Helene and the relief efforts

      the Charlotte (North Carolina) Observer has a regular feature called "Reality Check".  From the blurb:
      "Reality Check
      NC Reality Check reflects the Charlotte Observer’s commitment to holding those in power to account, shining a light on public issues that affect our local readers and illuminating the stories that sets the Charlotte region apart. Email [email protected] "

      Here's a new Reality Check article:
      "Helene fact check: Here are the rumors and the reality in Western North Carolina"
      https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/state/north-carolina/article293523249.html

       

      Edited October 6, 20241 yr by janea4old

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        "Despicable" doesn't BEGIN to describe what that man and his family were put through. And to think that whoever orchestrated the whole thing likely believes he/she/they were acting on God and the chi

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        ^ Well worth reading.
        Some of the rumors and lies are insane, such as Marjorie Taylor Greene's nonsense. 
        But also other lies that might seem reasonable to the naive,
        either because they are carefully crafted lies that *seem* real, or because the lies have been claimed as true by someone they believe, or simply because these lies have been repeated so incessantly.

        It's good to have the facts onhand when talking with friends/relatives/neighbors who sincerely believe this garbage.

        Any conversation we can have with anyone, if it changes one vote --- that one vote could make a difference in a local or national election.

        Edited October 6, 20241 yr by janea4old

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          Another "Reality Check" feature (fact-checking article from the Charlotte Observer)

          "Starlink reconnects Western NC reeling from Helene. Who gets credit becomes political." 
          (bringing Starlink internet to the region after the hurricane damaged the local Internet infrastructure)
          https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/business/article293356009.html

          The article says that Trump falsely claimed credit, saying that he requested the units from Elon Musk, and a Republican congressmen claimed Trump got Musk to do it.
          But FACT: actually FEMA had already requested Starlink for this purpose and the system was already in N.C. when Trump made his claim.

          It also says that *previously* (months or years ago) there had been a grant application to provide Starlink to the region.  Now, Republicans and rumormongers are blaming Biden admin for denying that application back then. 
          FACT: the reason the grant was denied back then:

          After Starlink filed that application, the FCC determined that it didn’t qualify for funding. According to a letter from the FCC chairperson, the agency found that Starlink:

          • Couldn’t provide internet at the required speed set by the FCC.
          • Would have imposed “high start-up costs on rural consumers,” requiring subscribers to buy a $600 dish to access internet.
          • Proposed using some funds to provide internet to places like parking lots and road medians, which are not underserved rural households like the program intended.


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            52 minutes ago, janea4old said:

            Republican congressmen claimed Trump got Musk to do it.

            Edit. My error.
            My intention was singular, not plural -- the autocorrect changed it to congressmen from congressman, as the article referred to a specific person.
            But the bigger error I made was that the article
            actually says that a N.C. Republican *state senator* claimed this.
            Not a congressman. 

            Yikes that I messed up in relaying a fact-check!

             

            (I mean we already know that Republican U.S. congresspersons are telling lies, but it's important that I not add to the misinformation!)

            Edited October 6, 20241 yr by janea4old

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              Non-profit newspaper from Asheville NC giving nonpartisan updates:
              https://avlwatchdog.org/

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                  Meanwhile, some of the Beltway is clearly losing patience:

                   

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                    The legendary Sally Field shares her abortion story. Warning: This gets considerably detailed about her horrific experience and is not for the faint of heart.

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                      2 hours ago, Vee said:

                      The legendary Sally Field shares her abortion story. Warning: This gets considerably detailed about her horrific experience and is not for the faint of heart.

                      Watching/listening, I cried a lot.

                      Then I pictured Norma Rae standing on the table holding up a Kamala sign.

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                        There seems to be a lot of butt hurt males over at TwitX because Kamala Harris dared to go on the Call Her Daddy podcast as above.

                        Who says misogyny is dead?

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                          oh wow today's question on Call Her Daddy --- and the Kavanagh hearings
                           

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                            1 hour ago, Wendy said:

                            There seems to be a lot of butt hurt males over at TwitX because Kamala Harris dared to go on the Call Her Daddy podcast as above.

                            Who says misogyny is dead?

                            The same people who were roasting Harris for not doing more press are now saying it's inappropriate for her to go on podcasts during the Helene aftermath. And of course she is still being attacked over not doing enough media...or not doing the right kind of media. It's a full court press, likely because they think if they push hard enough they can get Trump the "mandate" he is now demanding.

                             

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                              The same people who were roasting Harris for not doing more press are now saying it's inappropriate for her to go on podcasts during the Helene aftermath. And of course she is still being attacked over not doing enough media...or not doing the right kind of media. It's a full court press, likely because they think if they push hard enough they can get Trump the "mandate" he is now demanding.

                               

                              Autocorrect can be a plague (mine changed that immediately to plaque) but it is still strange to me that Politico let "neigh on" get through for "nigh on". How about "nearly" if "nigh on" is too hard?   

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                                  Trump held a contest to join him on stage at his rally in Butler. Was it a scam? (popular.info)

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                                    TOM LIGON
                                                9/10/1940 - 6/29/2026
                                    A WORLD APART                  T.D. Drinkard   1969-71
                                    THE YOUNG AND THE RESTLESS   Lucas Prentiss   1978-82
                                    LOVING               Coach Billy Bristow             1983-84
                                    ONE LIFE TO LIVE             Carl, Dorian's accountant    Unknown Year
                                    DALLAS                    Unknown Role                  1987
                                    SANTA BARBARA     William Addison              1987
                                    ANOTHER WORLD      Dr.Ted Briar         1990
                                    ALL MY CHILDREN        Dr. Snow          1994
                                    ANOTHER WORLD        Bailey Thompson           1995
                                                      Bus Station Ticket Clerk   1998
                                    AS THE WORLD TURNS   Emmett, Molly's Date   1997
                                    ALL MY CHILDREN   Reverend Fred Lomax   2004
                                    and
                                    AMERICAN HERITAGE: THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION II-- THE IMPOSSIBLE WAR    Harrison    1972   (Special)
                                    HOLLYWOOD SQUARES   (DAYTIME)     1979
                                    OZ        # 014208    Alvin Yood    2001 - 03
                                    THE HEART, SHE HOLLER      Bartender    2011 - 13
                                    PodCasts:
                                    SONGONAUTS      Buzzkill   2017
                                    THE TRUTH    Various   2012 - 22
                                    movies
                                    NOTHING BUT A MAN     Teenager   1964
                                    PAINT YOUR WAGON      Horton Fenty      1969
                                    JUMP      Chester Jump     1971
                                    THE LAST AMERICAN HERO     Lamar    1973
                                    BANG THE DRUM SLOWLY     Piney    1973
                                    THE EXECUTION OF PRIVATE SLOVIK      Childs    1974
                                    THE WIDE WORLD OF MYSTERY  "The Black Box Murders"   1975    (Made for T. V.)
                                    F. SCOTT FITZGERALD IN HOLLYWOOD     Alan Campbell   1975     (Made for T. V.)
                                    JUDGE HORTON AND THE SCOTTSBORO BOYS    Leslie Carter   1976    (Made for T. V.)
                                    JOYRIDE     Sanders     1977
                                    YOUNG DOCTORS IN LOVE     Soap Cameos    1982
                                    THE DEMON MURDER CASE     Philip Russo   1983     (Made for T. V.)
                                    CUTTING CLASS    Mr. Ingalls       1989
                                    I BELIEVE IN AMERICA    Oliver    2007
                                    SERIAL CHEF     Joseph Spataford       2007
                                    LOST REVOLUTION     Oliver    2011
                                    FRONT COVER     Gus LaMar    2015
                                    BROADWAY
                                    HAVE I GOT A GIRL FOR YOU!     12/2/1963       Steve Kozick
                                    ANGELA   10/30/1969 - 11/1/1969    Jeff Dolan
                                    LOVE IS A TIME OF DAY    12/22/1969 - 12/27/1969     Skipper Allen
                                    TARTUFFE    5/30/1996 - 6/23/1996      Understudy  --  Orgon;    Visitor
                                    THEATER
                                    BILLY BUDD     Billy Budd    1965       The Arena Theatre
                                    YOUR OWN THING   1968      Orson     Orpheum Theater
                                    THE 39TH WITNESS        1968     Goldman       The N. E. T. Playhouse
                                    GOD SAYS THERE IS NO PETER OTT   1972     Peter Ott      McAlpin Rooftop Theatre
                                    GENIUSES   1982    Eugene Winter  -- Replacement    Playwrights Horizons  
                                    CAROUSEL     1985 - 86   Paper Mill Playhouse   
                                    ANOTHER PARADISE   1986          Players Theater
                                     A BACKER'S AUDITION    1992    Roger Freed     American Jewish Theatre
                                    BREAKING LEGS      1993        Cape Playhouse      Dennis Massachusetts
                                    YOU NEVER KNOW       January - February   1996      Paper Mill Playhouse
                                    BAFO   (BEST AND FINAL OFFER)     1998       Clay    American Place Theater
                                    EVELYN AND THE POLKA KING   Hank Czerniak " The Polka King"      The Actors Theatre of Louisville
                                    THE RAINMAKER     H. C. Curry       Center Stage, Baltimore, Maryland
                                    BENGAL TIGER AT THE BAGHDAD ZOO       Tiger       The Lark Theatre, New York City
                                    CAMINO REAL     Kilroy
                                    REQUIEM FOR WILLIAM
                                    HARD TRAVELIN'        The Arena Stage          
                                    DEN OF THIEVES    
                                    THE GOLF BALL
                                    ALL THE WAY HOME          Connelly Theatre   New York City
                                    THE AUDIENCE                     Connelly Theatre   New York City
                                    OUR TOWN    George Gibbs
                                    Marriage:
                                         K. C. Ligon    12/31/1976 - 3/23/2009   (Her Death)
                                     
                                     
                                    From The New York Times   (Paywall)
                                     
                                    He Used to Be on Police Dramas, Then He Met a Bad Guy in Real Life
                                     
                                    By Michael Wilson
                                    Aug. 16, 2013
                                    A 72-year-old man stretched his tall, thick, worn self onto the little bed in his Greenwich Village apartment for an afternoon nap. It was Aug. 1, hot outside.
                                    He was awakened by a noise. In the next room, a window to the street was open for the breeze, and through it, a stranger was climbing into his home.
                                    The intruder filled the man in bed not with fear, but fury. How dare he?
                                    The man in bed was Tom Ligon, who was born in New Orleans and then made his way to New York in the early 1960s to try to act for a living. He fell in with a kindred spirit named Sam Waterston, and the two shared a $25-a-month sublet until they lost that, and Mr. Waterston found this spot on a quiet block of the Village.
                                    One night, the two went to a party, and by the end, the way Mr. Ligon remembers it, Mr. Waterston was mooning over a young lady. He moved out and married her. And Mr. Ligon stayed put.
                                     
                                     
                                    (Mr. Waterston went on to great success, and the two remained friends. “He says, ‘You married me off to get the apartment,’” Mr. Ligon said.)
                                    In 1969, Mr. Ligon landed a role in the film “Paint Your Wagon.”
                                    Around the same time, a friend visiting the apartment brought along a young lady, and now it was Mr. Ligon’s turn to moon. She was an actress and dialect coach named Katharine Dunfee Clarke.
                                    “We were a special pair,” Mr. Ligon said. They married and lived on and off in California pursuing roles, but they never gave up the apartment. “I closed it up,” he said.
                                     
                                    He was handsome and muscular. He ate raw food and practiced yoga and meditation. Fans of 1970s police shows have Mr. Ligon’s face stamped in unconscious corners of their minds.
                                     
                                     
                                    He played bit parts in “Baretta” and “Police Woman.” In an episode of “Starsky and Hutch,” he played a character listed in the credits as Young Man, a mumbling, brainwashed prisoner in a castle. He
                                     played Cadet Ted Miller in an episode of “Charlie’s Angels.”
                                     
                                    In 1978, Mr. Ligon stepped into the role for which he is widely remembered to viewers, mostly women, of a certain age:   Lucas Lorenzo Prentiss on the soap opera “The Young and the Restless.” He was game for anything the show threw at him. (“Lucas discovered ‘Priscilla’ as a stowaway on the jet,” an online fan site wrote in a description of his character.) He spent more than four years on the show, until 1982. (“Lucas left town for parts unknown.”)
                                    In the Village, he remained accustomed to shouts of “Lucas!” In 1989, he acted in “Cutting Class,” playing a father. His son was played by an unknown, Brad Pitt. Mr. Ligon told his wife, “He’s going to be a big star.”
                                    He had a recurring role as a prisoner in “Oz” on HBO, and there  were several appearances on various “Law and Order” properties.
                                    He also visited his wife’s dialect and voice classes at the Circle in the Square Theater School.
                                    His wife was blunt. She was said to have told James Gandolfini, cast in a stage production of “On the Waterfront,” that he wasn’t having a dialect problem, but an acting problem.  
                                    In 2009, she died of a blood disorder. She was 60 and terribly ill, spending her painful final weeks at St. Vincent’s Hospital Manhattan.
                                    Mr. Ligon came home around the corner to an empty apartment.
                                    “It’s the first time I’ve lived alone,” he said.
                                    He drank heavily. His solid frame softened and he grew a pot belly.
                                    St. Vincent’s closed. “I’m glad it’s gone,” he said. Bad memories.
                                    It has been four years. This is the man who was napping Aug. 1.
                                    “Who comes through the window?” he said later. “Maybe one friend back in the ’70s, back when we were smoking a lot of dope.”
                                    He leapt up from bed. “You don’t think, ‘Oh, I can’t move like that,’ ” he said. “I did this purely on reflexes. I take 10 minutes to get out of bed in the morning.”
                                     
                                    Mr. Ligon yelled “my Japanese yell — ‘Hi-YA!’” he said. “I hit him in the top of the head with my fist.” The intruder fell to the sidewalk and ran away, losing a sneaker in his escape. The police took it for evidence. He remains at large.
                                    At least his wife was not there. “She would have killed him,” he said.
                                     https://deadline.com/2026/06/tom-ligon-dead-actor-1236970726/

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                                    Lol! They've already shown they can't handle driving. The definitely couldn't handle a Scooby!!
                                    As a non-Carly fan I even think is idiotic. She has stupid plans all the time, but they sound good in her head. The trusting of these dimwitted teens when Joss's life is at stake is hilarious. There has to be at least 10 people on canvas currently that would be of more use to Carly. Probably at least 25 more off canvas. But Charlotte lived at Windemere once as a child so...expert.

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                                    Videos 186-195 were uploaded. Today's treasure trove includes three period:
                                    Summer of 1986: This seems to be the lead up to last set of June / July 1986 episodes. I saw some scenes with Kate talking to Jim about Ava's secret regarding baby Johnny. I don't think it ever dawned on me that it was the Johnny fiasco that caused Curtis and Ava to break up. Given how erratic Ava acted in the year leading up to the resolution, I almost wish they had rested the character by locking her in a mental health facility. And of course, her roommate would be none other than Lily Slater, on the verge of being released...

                                    May 1990: More of Roya Megnot's return for you @DRW50 . This is all the lead up to the material that was posted earlier. It includes the scene where Isabelle sees Cabot for the first time since the Tattler picture. Remarkable work from the underused Dabney who cannot believe Cabot because of Shana's existence. I was shocked by how well done Alexis' heart issues was being handled. I think this is really a precursor, in some ways, to Taggart's 1993 story with Shana and Leo dealing with Patti's developmental delay. There is a very tender moment where Egypt recounts to Alex how she was unable to keep her class pet alive when she was a child alluding to her fears regarding little Alexis. It's also worth noting Mary Ellis Bunim is created in these episodes as EP so we have the turnover in May.

                                    January 1991: Lots of little surprises for me in this. Some stellar work from Noelle Beck who really lays into Cabot upon learning that he was behind the plane crash and that he was completely willing to put Trucker out to dry because he wasn't a member of the family in Cabot's eyes. Beck can tend to overplay things, in my opinion, but the pain here seems incredibly real to me. I think Trisha's arc in 1991 is pretty divergent from a lot of the material she has before or after. There was also the return of Lucho Domeq, who I didn't realize had come back in 1991. Some of the dialogue was very layered in ways that weren't necessary, but appreciated. The set up for Christopher Cass' arrival as Jack places Jack in a San Felipe prison and Lucho talks about how Ramirez uses the prison to lock up political dissidents and intellectuals and it all feels a bit too close to home to the modern world. Rio is still worrying about his immigration status and working as a double agent basically by working for Paul but reporting back to Alex. The Ramirez / Paul connection is interesting and I believe Ramirez is also tied to plane parts plot. I don't usually love these throwaway villains, but a lot of the material surrounding is written well so I don't hate it as much as others might.

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                                    Whoever's singing the theme song in that Lisa Kudrow pilot sounds an awful lot like Tisha Campbell.

                                    By Khan · 1 hour ago1 hr

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