I didn't vote, because I just couldn't bring myself TO vote; and it's a decision, quite frankly, that I will never live down.

 

I won't derive much pleasure from seeing people regret voting for Trump, if only because the rest will suffer alongside them.  OTOH, if you insist on sticking your hand on a hot stove despite everyone warning you not to....

 

11 minutes ago, Juliajms said:

I agree with you to a point, but at least we can hope this means he won't get a second term.

 

I hope so, too, Julia.  Like you said, what's done is done.  Unless (or until) Trump commits an offense that Congress is willing to impeach him for (which doesn't seem likely at the moment -- although who knows where we'll be a year or even six months from now), I'm afraid we're stuck with him.  But my hope NOW is that by the time 2020 rolls around, people will be so fed up with all the drama that they'll block him from a second term (should he pursue it) in the hopes of bringing some stability and civility back into politics.  (I, myself, pledge to vote for whichever candidate promises a back-to-basics/business-as-usual administration, regardless of party.)

I think Trump ends up impeached. And no I don't think either he or Bannon are smarter than the people in DC who are much more cunning and diabolical.  They give him latitude so it gives them cover and gut what they wanted to all along, he continues to do things like this muslim ban, diverts attention away from them, and at some point something too big to ignore that will turn off more from Trump , other than his cult of course. It might be a Kent State type event where young white people are killed, or maybe like the tragedy that happened in Quebec where a Mosque is attacked and many are killed. Again his core won't care but many will. And then the Ryan's can come in as the saviors saving America's freedom. It's makes me sick to see one devil being replaced by yet another who is more clean cut and "American"

If another Kent State-like massacre were to occur, I'm sure you'd have Trump ride-or-dies on Facebook, saying things like, "HAHA.  Look at all the snowflakes melting.  hAHAAaa."

Hopefully this continues to its logical end, which would be a lot of states being required to redraw their districting maps.

 

Republican redistricting is taking a beating in the courts, right now

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1 hour ago, DRW50 said:

Personally I have no time for people who talk about how much they regret voting for Trump. This was an obvious choice - the most obvious choice America has had in possibly well over a century. Anyone out there who cared about civil rights, basic fairness, etc. knew the choice. I feel like some people want a medal when they say they voted the wrong way. Too little too late. 

 

Meanwhile someone I know who voted for him is a Faux News junkie tells me whenever we talk that Trump is going to build up the military so it's a good thing he won. This is a very elderly person so I just bite my tongue, because even if they do come to regret it, it's going to likely be for reasons of personal pain, and unlike some of those in Trumpworld, I don't get that much pleasure out of other people's pain.

 

For me it's not so much about enjoying their pain (although I do) but about making it impossible to dodge responsibility for what they did. Clearly some of these people only learn through pain so it's our job to make this hurt as much as possible so maybe the lesson sticks.

1 hour ago, Khan said:

I didn't vote, because I just couldn't bring myself TO vote; and it's a decision, quite frankly, that I will never live down.

 

I won't derive much pleasure from seeing people regret voting for Trump, if only because the rest will suffer alongside them.  OTOH, if you insist on sticking your hand on a hot stove despite everyone warning you not to....

 

I've always understood voter apathy. Even though who is in charge matters, it doesn't always feel like it makes a huge difference in your own life. To some extent I think my fellow Americans (including myself) had become both cynical and spoiled.  This is the first time in a good long while that we faced a true threat to the republic and I think a lot of people just didn't believe it. Notice how many people were accusing the media of overstating Trump's chances at winning, meanwhile they were wrong in the other direction. They should have had Carl and Q as their pundits.

 

Anyway, at this point, what anyone did or did not do in the last election doesn't matter to me, except to the extent it helps us figure out how to motivate them to do differently next time. One thing that would certainly help is working to make voting easier. When people have to wait four hours to vote after working a long hard day, that's going to discourage almost anyone.  It's silly to pat yourself on the back for voting when your polling place is close by and you only have to wait 20 mins.

 

If Starbucks really wants to be helpful maybe they should send baristas out with coffee while they wait to vote. Hmmm I wonder if doing something like that is legal?

 

 

12 minutes ago, Juliajms said:

If Starbucks really wants to be helpful maybe they should send baristas out with coffee while they wait to vote. Hmmm I wonder if doing something like that is legal?

 

It's not. The coffee would be considered "payment." They could sell coffee but giving it away would get shut down with the quickness. On election day here the Democrats set up barbecue grills so you could buy something to eat while in line. It was dirt cheap but free is a no-no.

^ Makes sense. I'm glad they at least had a cheap option for people.

Spicer suggests Holocaust remembrance is an inconvenience: "President went out of his way to recognize the Holocaust."

Out of his way? pic.twitter.com/ZpCzPOCgsS

— John Aravosis (@aravosis) January 30, 2017

Sean Spicer: "Where's Senator Schumer's tears been for all the other problems" happening in this country?

— Hallie Jackson (@HallieJackson) January 30, 2017

Every time Spicer steps to the podium I think he's about to pull a Budd Dwyer. (Look it up.)

Yep.

 

Spicer: "To assume someone because of their age or gender, that they don't pose a threat, would be wrong."

— Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) January 30, 2017

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Apparently the suspect (police discovered that there was one, not two) was known to troll a Syrian refugee Facebook group.

http://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/quebec-mosque-shooting-five-remain-in-critical-condition-following-attack

3 hours ago, Juliajms said:

I agree with you to a point, but at least we can hope this means he won't get a second term.  What's done is done, but I'm happy to hear about people who have changed their minds and people who regret not voting in the first place.

 

Sadly I have family that voted for him and still support him. I am ashamed to say I am fairly certain they hated Obama cause of his skin color, and hated Hillary just cause they can(like alot of others)

3 hours ago, JaneAusten said:

I think Trump ends up impeached. And no I don't think either he or Bannon are smarter than the people in DC who are much more cunning and diabolical.  They give him latitude so it gives them cover and gut what they wanted to all along, he continues to do things like this muslim ban, diverts attention away from them, and at some point something too big to ignore that will turn off more from Trump , other than his cult of course. It might be a Kent State type event where young white people are killed, or maybe like the tragedy that happened in Quebec where a Mosque is attacked and many are killed. Again his core won't care but many will. And then the Ryan's can come in as the saviors saving America's freedom. It's makes me sick to see one devil being replaced by yet another who is more clean cut and "American"

I think Trump will defintely be impeached and in his first year or two(if he makes it that far without a complete mental meltdown)

I saw Robert Reich recounted a conversation he had with a Republican friend a couple of weeks ago saying that their was a plan in place by Republicans to replace Trump when he gets out of hand. Until then they are just using him as cover to do the ugly things they want to do, while pretending they are reluctant.  We'll see.