I agree with you guys that todays script was terrible, but the most shocking thing is that Eric Freidwald has been with the show since the 80s and Linda Schreiber was brought on in 2003. You'd think that the new writers would be screwing up, but dayum that was awful. It's a shame too because this should've been a MAJOR episode.

- DNA results (should've been the focus of the episode)

- Neil FINALLY accepting responsibility for his part in the Carmen scandal

- Setting up Colleen and Cowbell getting closer

- Rare bonding time between Victoria and Nikki.

I remember when Schreiber and Freidwald first wrote a script together Toups said it must be because the script was so bad, the other had to come in to fix it. I'm going to give Friedwald the benefit of the doubt and say that Schreiber is the screw up in this case. Hopefully if [s.W.S.N.B.N.] ever becomes official they will can her.

The only positive I have to say about this episode is that Jill looked fabulous. Jeanne Cooper and Jess Walton can make anything interesting. I even felt chemistry with Vincent. My only complaint is that I miss her long, over the top hair!

I like Amber. Wish I could say that about Colleen.

Add me to the group that likes Amber. I used to like Colleen, but what happened to that strong, assertive New Yorker we met at the beginning of the year? JT has a way with making women turn into obsessive idiots.

This was a dreadfully boring episode. I have to say that J.T./Colleen/Prof. Doorbell/Amber is the least interesting quadrangle ever.

I'm reading SOD and in Carolyn Hinsey's column, "It's Only My Opinion," she trashes Y&R.

Young and Restless is falling into that trap where new writers come in and they are only inspired by the characters and stories they created. I just watched a whole week of episodes starring Kevin, Jana, Gloria, Bardwell, Jill, nuVictoria, Brad, and perhaps the most boring triangle to ever hit daytime, Colleen, J.T. and her suddenly front-burner professor. Raise your hand if you'd care if any of them got conked on the head by a reliquary right now. Anybody?

Except for Jill, no, I wouldn't care.

Young and Restless is falling into that trap where new writers come in and they are only inspired by the characters and stories they created. I just watched a whole week of episodes starring Kevin, Jana, Gloria, Bardwell, Jill, nuVictoria, Brad, and perhaps the most boring triangle to ever hit daytime, Colleen, J.T. and her suddenly front-burner professor. Raise your hand if you'd care if any of them got conked on the head by a reliquary right now. Anybody?

Hopefully someone will stop LML madness sooner rather than later. And YES I will care if Jill gets conked, thank you. As for the rest...I will personally do it myself.

I don't think what Hinsey says is true at all. Kevin, Jana, Victoria and and Brad aren't involved in frontburner stories. The reliquary has made a comeback, but it isn't dominating the show like it was before. Kevin hasn't had a story in what seems like ages, he and Jana are supporting characters at best. Yes William Bardwell is used a lot, but I think it benefits other characters more than himself. Particularly Jill and Michael. The only thing I'd agree on is that Professor Cowbell is involved in a frontburner love triangle, but this doesn't bother me since the teen scene has hardly been used all year.

Latham gets no credit for all of the veteran character she does use. To say the show is overrun with her newcomes and ONLY her newcomers is a joke, IMO.

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Latham gets no credit for all of the veteran character she does use. To say the show is overrun with her newcomes and ONLY her newcomers is a joke, IMO.

I totally agree it is a joke about the newcomer thing, because I am seeing more Kay, Jill, Paul, Neil, Dru, Mikey, and others more now than I had seen in years with the other writers. Yes the show has it's bad days, today was one of them, but it also has it's good days, something I really could not say happened to much in the Alden and Smith years at least the last several anyway. Back then every show was a bore, and it seemed like some day's in GC could last a month, and that drove me nuts.

Hinsey made sense for that one paragraph (except for Jill, I agree) because it really is that bad. Who are these truly boring people fogging up our screens with their boring?

Latham gets no credit for all of the veteran character she does use. To say the show is overrun with her newcomes and ONLY her newcomers is a joke, IMO.

She didn't just say characters, she said stories. LML is refusing to play a lot of the inherit drama in the stories that she's making that would come naturally from the characters histories because she didn't make those stories.

She didn't just say characters, she said stories. LML is refusing to play a lot of the inherit drama in the stories that she's making that would come naturally from the characters histories because she didn't make those stories.

That's exactly how I understood it and it's on point. This show is a bunch of contrived plot driven mess with characters contorted to fit the stories instead of the other way around.

I turned off my television as soon as I heard Victoria say that this child was "the Long awaited Newman heir". I am so done with LML, this woman has no comprehension of character histories, nothing, she just writes the show as "The Nick and Phyllis moo cow sex hour" and everyone else is secondary. Lets just shiit on the memory of Cassie, lets just shiit on the fact that Nick already has a child in this world that is loved.

I turned that crap off because I didn't want to hear Phyllis even speak, especially after her selfish ass continues to endanger her child just because she wants to get back to screwing in the positions she likes. So much for this "miracle baby."

^^^Actually it was Nick that said "the long awaited Newman heir", not Vicki and Phyllis wasn't even on today.

I think today's sucky show should be credited to the script writers moreso than LML.

^^^Actually it was Nick that said "the long awaited Newman heir", not Vicki and Phyllis wasn't even on today.

I think today's sucky show should be credited to the script writers moreso than LML.

Thanks for clearing that up. But for me, It didn't matter who said it, I just thought it was a crap statement period, and I am likely to avoid this weeks shows in anticipation of Phyllis and her moocow whinnings about giving birth and hearing her mooing when she actually does go into labor.

I am so done with LML, this woman has no comprehension of character histories, nothing, she just writes the show as "The Nick and Phyllis moo cow sex hour" and everyone else is secondary.

@ "The Nick and Phyllis moo cow sex hour"

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I agree with you guys that todays script was terrible, but the most shocking thing is that Eric Freidwald has been with the show since the 80s and Linda Schreiber was brought on in 2003. You'd think that the new writers would be screwing up, but dayum that was awful. It's a shame too because this should've been a MAJOR episode.

- DNA results (should've been the focus of the episode)

- Neil FINALLY accepting responsibility for his part in the Carmen scandal

- Setting up Colleen and Cowbell getting closer

- Rare bonding time between Victoria and Nikki.

I remember when Schreiber and Freidwald first wrote a script together Toups said it must be because the script was so bad, the other had to come in to fix it. I'm going to give Friedwald the benefit of the doubt and say that Schreiber is the screw up in this case. Hopefully if [s.W.S.N.B.N.] ever becomes official they will can her.

In response to what you wrote--KB wrote some very strong scripts for "DAYS" so I'm still surprised that Y&R doesn't

take her off "consulting" and let her do some scripts.

I was talking to a buddy at TV GUIDE about this and I honestly don't believe that soap fans are going to stampede if

they see that she's working on a show. The sponsors need to get over it. I think most of us are over the big shock of her past. Who cares anymore? She's got a major book tour coming up in 2007 with two new books coming out so I don't see why

people can't just accept that she's a writer. Yes, a little weird for our tastes, but so what.

Y&R give her some scripts and put her in the credits for crying out loud!

Kay's nightmare baby is a boy, so there is no chance in hell that Amber is the baby in her dreams.

I bet that baby will be either David Chow or someone else that may wind up coming back.

Loved the line that J.T slammed at Colleen..."Believe or not, Colleen, the world does not revolve around you." Too bad the little twit can't get that through her dim head of hers.

When or where was it revealed that Kay's Nightmare Baby is a boy?

Kay thought the dreams were about Jill. I don't recall hearing anything about a boy, unless that's spoiler info.