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Kevin McClatchey was an FOJ I believe, having been on GL as the notorious Vinny and later I believe he appeared on other shows while under her show. Justin Chambers had the last laugh of course.

So I was recently re-reading GL history and I was wondering about some about the Bauer family. Who on earth were Douglas, Ellen, Doug Jr., Kathleen, Scott and David Bauer? Did any of them actually appear onscreen besides Douglas and Ellen in the late 40’s and early 50’s?

I do hope this is just a Cristal Jennings recast and not a whole new Cristal again altogether; that would be overkill. I do remember Alonso being that god-awful Pilar recast on ATWT in 2004; hopefully like her predecessor Roselyn Sanchez (of Without a Trace and Devious Maids fame) she has achieved acting ability. The third season premiere has already been spoiled here at the link below lol, apparently the big secrect the show is holding back on at the moment is on who the new Alexis is. Hopefully S3 will be be better than S2, the Ada story was just very strange and detrimental to the show. https://www.tvshowsace.com/2019/08/09/dynasty-who-is-returning-to-cw-show-for-season-3/

That's good question. Interestingly enough during the Corrington era of SFT CBS had actually flirted with the idea of expanding SFT to an hour as the show was rejuvenated at the time and Bell was very against the notion Y&R going to an hour length. The Y&R and SFT relationship was interesting in this time period; SFT benefited from Y&R as a lead-in in many markets, yet Y&R benefited being sandwiched between SFT and ATWT in many other markets as since CBS didn't program the 1:00ET/12:00CT/PT time slot, many markets who wanted a Noon newscast just simply delayed Y&R for that slot. I've never been able to pinpoint who was to blame for SFT's cancellation at CBS. P&G blamed CBS and said that SFT lost ratings and fairing badly in the 2:30 slot but reality of the numbers says different. CBS blamed P&G saying P&G only wanted to SFT in the 12:30PM ET slot. Bell actually had another soap in the works as early as 1976; it was mentioned as a Y&R spinoff but whether or not this was his RAGS soap is not clear. The only winner in the situation was Bill Bell himself, mainly because Jon Conboy was now off his soap right after Conboy had threatened to fire Bell from his own soap. That makes it a lot clearer, there were a LOT of proposed soaps for CBS in the early '80's that never panned out.

The GL-GH rivalry of that era is well documented and remembered, even to a point when an episode of "Roseanne" made reference to it. It was later successes of GL and ATWT in the '90s that went highly ignored by the soap press. I mean ATWT was the 5th most watched soap 1993-1995 and later the 3rd most watched for much of 2002-2003 while GL had success in the late's 90s. Marland had the touch of versatility later writers lacked.

Aside from the whole hokey caper about Dana being a Beth impostor under duress from a jailbird Alan, she did make a decent pairing with Frank from what I remember seeing but it ultimately too short lived. The character burnt through a lot of story-line in a relatively short time.

That was pretty much it for Weaver as Gina as I believe once her relationship with Neil Fenmore was over she just simply faded as more of a background player except for her very memorable emotional reunion with Rex on Christmas Eve 1987, the Clint Radison story and later in the '90s as a talk to character for Danny. Weaver was put on contract again by the early '00s as she appeared again in the opening credits 2003-2005ish but after that went on recurring again. I don't know if it was Weaver's choice to go recurring or not, but it was weird given she had been a favorite on Bell's over Days playing Trish Clayton Banning for almost nine years before joining Y&R as Gina.

Princi is 12 years younger than Hastings, while both Sward and Gray are both 16 years younger. I think I bought some of it mainly because Hastings maintained a bit of a baby face into the 80s. The other issue the show had a natch for was actresses in their early '30's to have their character's saddled with adult children. Anne Sward's Lyla being the mother of Margo, Cricket, and Craig?? Ridiculous! They should have had Mary Linda Rapeleye play Lyla instead if that was going to be the case.

Sheesh he had a thing for older wealthy woman!

Thanks for your hard work as always @YRfan23!!!!! I have much to catch up on myself! By that point if I recall right Eric had started a singing/music career and left town. He never found out that he was indeed the father of Julia's daughter Jamie. Julia's new husband Charles adopted her, I think only Victor knew the real truth. By Julia's 2002 Charles had passed away, Jamie was in college and there was no mention of Garrison at all.

I always forget Dano is actually a few years older than what I think she is, I think it was the whole Felicia turns 40 in '89 that throws me off. I also think it also came to how each show stylized their cast members as well.

I do give credit for them trying lol. It worked for both AW and ATWT to some extent during the same time frame. I think it would have worked if there was stronger characterizations and maybe even stronger ties to show's history i.e. why not have them turn out to be Trudy Bauer's grandchildren or have Chelsea been the long forgotten Lana Reardon. Instead Johnny, Lacey, and Chelsea came off as so goofy. The show did the Reardon's better with Bridget and Matt in the '90s.

Lol we always joked Chelsea was an alien from a parallel dimension masquerading as a Reardon.

What did everyone think of "Looney" Rae Rooney there in 1989/1990?

Ah thanks, I was trying to think of what all was going on around that same time after the first half of '89 had been absolutely stellar. I know the Dana Jones/Beth stuff, Neil's murder, and Looney Rae Rooney weren't all that well received either.

Has this been shared yet? Goodness Linda Dano was wayyy to young to be paired with Henderson Forsythe!

Thanks for clarifying Carl! I remember for the longest they were in complete opposite orbits and the connection was hazy by the time they both left town at the start of 1996.

The 1980-81 line-up was disastrous CBS Daytime. Contrary to popular belief, the June 1981-March 82 line-up actually fared very well for CBS Daytime. I had good laugh seeing EON beating Days even in the wake on an increasing amount of ABC affiliates dropping the program. The 1980 massacre at Days really did a number. This is interesting, I can understand the 1994 drop in ratings as the show greatly sputtered out with BTS changes and the even further drop in ratings 1996 under McTavish but what caused the 89-90 drop?

If I recall right I think Rick was actually Jef's uncle but I'd have to go back over some notes of mine. Not sure about Tucker and Jessica, may have been part of Jessica's backstory in the same fashion that Shannon had been "best friends" with Karen Haines.

I remember that 2004 went uncharacteristically completely downhill for Molly, and then we got the godawful Christina Chambers of Sunset Beach and Spyder Games infamy as a Molly recast and that was it. I recall the actress playing Nikki Munson at the time should have been playing Molly instead as she sounded and looked like Lesli Kay and could actually act.

So in the past couple years I've pretty much for better or worse re-watched a lot of ATWT from 1993-1998, any suggestions of where to start at next? Speaking of Molly a few pages back @Khan, I did venture in 1999 just enough to see Molly make her epic diss of Yvonne Perry's Rosanna. "Hi Rosanna I'm your cousin Molly, oh those clothes look so dowdy on someone so rich!" The biggest problem with Molly during the first couple years was she was pushed everywhere without rhyme and reason: a retcon history of her and Holden having a child, pushed into the Stenbeck family, and then was also Carly's cousin! No, Dusty Donovan never pushed her into the Snyder Pond either. Her pairing with Jake was a breathe of fresh air and allowed Molly to finally develop on her own and let Kay's acting abilities shine through There was a reason it was so great when Kay's Molly returned in 2009 with a typical Molly down on her luck story with a nefarious man story. 😦 at Finn Carter's arrest btw.

Isn't that shame too? B&B was so on fire 1997-1998, from Eric & Stephanie's wedding disaster, Grant's theft(well, it was HIS own designs!) from Forrester and showing up at Spectra in retaliation against Brooke and the Forresters doing him wrong, the fashion show in Italy complete with Stephanie's revenge against Sally at Lake Como, Sheila pushed to suicide and jumped off the roof in her wedding dress, and of course Brooke & Taylor having each risen the stakes between Taylor's pregnancy and of course Brooke's fake pregnancy and fake miscarriage.

Actually if I recall right Stephen Gregory chose to leave Y&R to quit acting altogether, and only later appeared on SVU as a recurring character as a favor to a long lost friend who had called him up. Ryan was a replacement for Chase, I suspect if Gregory had stayed around we'd just end up a Chase/Victoria pairing in 1991 instead.

Erm, the only regret I ever heard was Bell said was him killing off Phillip III; by the time 1995 had rolled around JC was calling the show "The Young and the Rest of Us" and I'm sure it bothered Bell but he was having success with Y&R's third generation; otherwise he kept the right characters. I know late '96 and early '97 the show had really stagnated but Bell did turn the show around right before he officially retired and in perfect shape for Alden to take over. Nikki scored herself a "younger" man; we never got the Ryan/Jill one night stand the show really wanted to do and almost headed that way. I had heard something Ryan and Jill were suppose to sleep together, Victor find out and then blackmail Jill, leading to Jill being prime suspect in Victor's shooting, but I guess the show decided to play it safe and go some other absurd route in having Jill being prime suspect in Victor's shooting in addition to Brad. Ashley Abbott was a character Bell loved and knew how vital she was to the show. Otherwise she wouldn't have been recast for Shari Shattuck, which did prove to be a determent to the whole Audrey North story that went south. Otherwise the show was just fine, and Nick & Sharon were a lot more dynamic back. Network pressure, massive backstage politics, and in-fighting is what destroyed Y&R's later end of the third generation and decimated its fourth generation.

After re-watching 1994, 1995, parts of 1996(ho boy did this show go off the rails, even by today's standards!) and 1997, any recommendations of what ATWT year I should re-watch next? I was thinking skipping ahead to 2000, but also wanted to revisit the glory days.