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Thanks so much as always for sharing the '85 and '92 episodes @YRfan23!!!!! I did get a kick out of Jill fantasizing about using acidic powder on Katherine's face! The makeup job and mirror shot of Katherine's face was killer. Nothing has yet to beat Katherine's electrocution in the bathtub, but every time I come across these wildly vivid "Jill or Katherine kill each other" fantasies they're thrilling to watch. I must say I would have been extremely shocked to have watched them as they first aired. First time watching the "Black/White" Tyrone story as well, I found the Tyrone and Amy scenes to be great. The Alana scenes were funny. Every-time I see Jazz I wish he had been kept around and later been involved with the Barber sisters. I must say young Phil Morris was quite sexy shirtless there! I'm going through the 1992 episodes at the moment, I gotta love how every time there is a Sheila scene ominous music gets played. Funny how Christine had kept around her "Miss Holly Hollywood" wig from the previous fall's costume gala. Nice to see Rex and Katherine's second wedding and Jill's attempt to steal the thunder, it's interesting because by the end of 1992 Ashley, Victor, Jill, Nikki and Jack will be in a completely different dynamic than seen here. Nice seeing Leanna still hanging in there too even though she won't be given much to do in '92.

I saw the story over on SoapHub and found it very strange and rather pathetic. He must obviously have some serious psychological issues for him to be conning people even if he had a gig at the moment. He also must have better acting skills than he ever displayed on GL.

I saw this posted and just had to reply. A lot of times I had AW on as background noise or flipped to it whenever when GL was on commercial(and later on when I lived Albuquerque, B&B) but I did really enjoy the show during the Peggy Sloane era. It was the silly Cristy Carson caper with Patti D'Arbanville doing a fabulous job that sucked me in for more than just background noise and I enjoyed all the way through at least through early 1995. Plus the Ryan/Vicky/Grant drama, Felicia's alcoholism, and Joe/Paulina romance and escapades drove a lot of the show and made it at least entertaining. I think some of the Carolyn Culliton stuff i.e. Joe and Frankie did play well but it all unraveled the moment she was bumped off with JFP's arrival. But it was Iris' departure that really left me in the cold; the show invested a lot into Morgan and Brett and then dropped them; Marley didn't come back after the show survived JB contract drama in '94; Jake died! The less said about Spencer, Justine, and Justine's sisters that were on initially the better.

I wouldn't call it retconning, just a maze of story-lines these characters were probably facing at the time. Most notably I noticed reading over synopsis in early 1982 there was a story of where Victor bought an expensive fur coat for Nikki as a gift but it was stolen by some mob friends of Nikki so Nikki and Katherine worked together to get a replacement fur coat so Victor wouldn't realize the difference. I wonder if Bell's isolation of storytelling was in full play here, and as @DRW50 noted a full array of too many storylines happening at once.

One thing more I may be confused about as well is Victor bringing flowers to Nikki and meeting Lori for the first time....I was under the impression I suppose that Victor first saw Nikki AFTER the Julia/Michael mess. I know Douglas challenged Derek to a duel over the love of Katherine, I have to wonder when that happened as well in 1980. I wouldn't ever trade in Jess Walton for the world, but I really, really wish Bell had let Liz Foster remain a relevant, more realistic matriarch through out the '80s, '90s, and '00s. It was a missing component for Y&R didn't have. Liz also has a depth that Nancy Hughes, Alice Horton, Virginia Matthews and Bert Bauer never could achieve either.

The February 1980- May 1981 lineup change on CBS was a fiasco for Y&R, SFT, and ATWT as you had three shows in transition phases get bounced around(Y&R and ATWT lost their original time slots while while rival ABC Daytime became Goliath at the time. The 1981-1982 line-up change really did help out Y&R, ATWT, and SFT, it was just that somebody really wanted SFT off the line-up. I was wondering who played Patty's date as he looked awfully familiar as well. I know Christopher Knight was on AW but something tells me he would have fit right in at Y&R! Paul gets involved in the cult as well if I recall right but at some point in 1980/1981 of course crosses paths with April Stevens. I think the biggest problem with Greg and Nikki I wonder if someone outside of Bell was hoping to make them Y&R's version of Luke and Laura. Either way I don't think the pairing worked at all. Jill and Katherine's story-lines would definitely divide up over the next couple years that's for sure. Sure we Katherine and Derek playing kissy face(I slightly cringed btw) but it's not long before Katherine will she encounters Felipe and then the love of her life, "Cash" Cashman while Jill will end up engaged to Andy Richards before making moves on John Abbott.

Finished both of them! THANK YOU @YRfan23 @ltm1997so much!!! There's something about that 1980-1982 period I love so much as it mixed in Y&R's old guard with the new guard. A few thoughts: LOVED seeing young bad boy Paul, a young Patty or "Pip" lol played very well by Tammy Taylor, and of course Mary Williams just being Mary Williams! I'm quite impressed by Tammy Taylor who I had heard bad things about from playing the first grown up Hope over on Days; I have to wonder what if if Taylor had been able to stick with Y&R and grow up with the role in a way Heather Tom did with Victoria a decade later. Greg and Nikki, no I'm not a fan of, especially not of Wings Hauser's Greg either. I can see what Bell was trying to do with bad girl Nikki marrying goody two-shoes Greg but the pairing feels forced and doesn't work. It doesn't help that more interesting men (Paul, Victor) are probably more concerned about Nikki than her actual husband is. The cult at the end of the second episode, ho boy! This is my first time seeing Bond Gideon as Jill and I was pleased! She looked beautiful and I really liked the scenes between Jill and Liz it felt warm and there was a great sense of love and forgiveness between the two. I had assumed Gideon was atrocious but this to me proves otherwise and I agree I feel some Deborah Adair qualities there. It felt like the best way to reset Jill was to take her back to square one. Was that Brett Halsey as John? I had assumed so, but if it's another actor I must say he does look like an older Terry Lester with a bit of a European(hint of German?) accent in there. Derek and Katherine was great to see. Actually while Caleb Stoddard will always be my favorite Derek I've seen from watching old episodes LaDue may be an odd casting at least I could buy he was a woman's hair dresser. I must say though, if I had watched this for the first time as a regular viewer in 1980, based on the John and Jill scenes I might have guessed that Jill might eventually bed John at some point but would not have predicted they would drive some epic storylines for the next 20+ years. Usually @DRW50 I find Tim Ligon's Lucas as an awkward man out but here Lucas is looking so sharp and handsome. The scenes with him and Sebastian are wonderful contrasted with Leslie and Jonas. To which I've known all about Jonas but did not realize he was played by Dark Shadows' Tony Peterson/Reverend Trask character.

They did at least do the ATWT and GL tributes back in 2016, something for which I was grateful for. in the long run scheme of things although David and Kat on the run remains unforgettable, Long's Kat embarrassingly disintegrated by 1994 when she discovered David and Gabriella together. Probably why Long's time on GL would get overlooked.

They were friends but definitely not the same way Katherine was "old friends" with Earl Bancroft. John definitely did turn the tables on Katherine to her surprise when revealed to her and Jill that he knew everything about them and Phillip. If I recall right John felt Phillip was solely responsible for his own predicament and demise and believed Jill and Katherine had been mistreated by him.

I actually had forgot about Encore Encore it was one of many flops on NBC that season along with Al Franken's LateLine. The second sitcom had Lane basically playing himself as a gay Congressman and ended up being unfunny and dull in spite of some controversial hype attached to it.

Madeline Kahn had a quite few unsuccessful attempts of leading her own TV show. She eventually was successful with the '96 Cosby show but unfortunately she passed away during that show's third season and the show went into decline after her passing. I remember Alicia Silverstone had some TV show that ended up D.O.A in the early 2000's, I can't recall the name of it at this point for the life of me. I remember Dolly Parton's 1987 TV show and her album released that year were both considered a a disaster in the press at the time, I believe it fell hand and hand. The cancellation of Evening Shade by CBS in 1994 was just bizarre to me as it was one of CBS' highest rated sitcoms but I think they blamed it on Burt Reyonlds' salary. Was that the awful Charlie Lawrence one? I remember watching the premiere episode and it was dreadul, I think CBS ended up burning the rest of the episodes off during that summer.

This is such a strange article that was recently pointed out to me regarding William Bell Sullivan, who played Blake's nefarious lover Gary Swanson from 1989-1990. I believe Sullivan quit acting no later than 1992: William Bell Sullivan fondly recalls villain role MAKING GOOD OF BEING BAD June 03, 1991|By Henry Scarupa Sometimes bad guys have more fun. At least that's what Baltimore-born actor William Bell Sullivan learned after playing the villainous Gary Swanson in the CBS daytime serial, "The Guiding Light." "The role is a blast, a lot of fun," says Mr. Sullivan, who was in town this weekend to take part in a benefit for his alma mater, Grace and St. Peter's School. "Gary Swanson is one of those characters whose popularity I've never really understood because he's so bad. But I think I've added such a strong element of humanity and love to his villainy that people understand his character. They like him that way and they support him -- 'Yeh, go get 'em, Gary.' "I've gotten an incredible amount of fan mail, and I'm still getting letters." Fans still dote on the character even though Mr. Sullivan left the show six months ago, when the story line had the conniving Swanson thrown into the slammer for his misdeeds. In reality, the change was made to give the writing staff time to feel their way into the story, perhaps to change direction. For Mr. Sullivan, who had been on the show for 18 months, this afforded a breather from a demanding five-days-a-week schedule, often stretching out to 15 hours a day, and a chance to evaluate other career possibilities. "It was done amicably," he says of the separation, "and the door was left open for me to come back if the fans support that." Mr. Sullivan is relaxing in the living room of the Riderwood home of his grandmother, Evelyn Stevens, as he discusses the ins and outs of show business. He routinely makes the trip from his home in New York to Baltimore to visit friends and relatives, and returned here Friday and Saturday to be the featured guest at a fund-raiser for Grace and St. Peter's, the church-affiliated Episcopal day school he had attended through the sixth grade before he and his family moved to Michigan. He declines to give his age for professional reasons, saying the mystery enables him to play the roles of men between 25 and 35 years of age. On this day, he is wearing blue jeans and a white T-shirt over a 6-foot-1 athletic frame, kept trim by jogging and working out. His good looks partly explain the thousand or more fan letters Mr. Sullivan receives each month, often accompanied by mementos from admirers, from snapshots to uplifting books to panties. Women occasionally propose marriage, and at least two young mothers have named their sons after the soap opera star. He conscientiously answers each of the many letters with a brief note. The task eventually became so daunting that his mother, who lives in West Bloomfield, Mich., volunteered to organize the William Bell Sullivan Fan Club and serves as president. Dues are $19 a year, of which $5 goes to a charity designated by the fan. Members receive a newsletter four times a year, along with a signed autograph and a personal birthday card from Mr. Sullivan. Members are also eligible for a monthly drawing for a phone call from the bachelor actor. While all this requires a lot of time and effort, Mr. Sullivan feels it's little enough to give back for his success. "I believe in my fans," he declares. "Without them, I'd be absolutely nothing as an actor." Since Mr. Sullivan first stood on stage at Grace and St. Peter's as a preteen, portraying a cherry tree in a school musical, he's played a variety of parts. Over the years he's been everything from romantic lead to loony to manipulative liar. This versatility has earned him roles in such movies as "The Hunt for Red October," along with appearances on leading TV shows, such as "Designing Women" and "Another World." He last appeared on stage off-Broadway in New York in "The Runner Stumbles." From his earliest days, Mr. Sullivan wanted to be an actor. While studying theater and psychology at Northern Michigan University, he won $10,000 in the lottery, dropped out of school and headed for Los Angeles to pursue his destiny. "It was my calling, my purpose, my vehicle to do what I needed to do," he says of acting. "I never questioned it, never planned it, never calculated. Of course, it didn't happen by itself. I had to work at it, and I still do, fine-tuning it." He feels the years he spent as a pupil at Grace and St. Peter's helped to provide him with the values and determination needed to realize his dream. "When I think who I am and what I've become, I have to credit not only my family but Grace and St. Peter's," he says. "The school set a firm foundation for me on a social, religious and academic level." That moral sensibility prompted even a TV bad guy to recoil from causing harm. Once on "Guiding Light," the script called for Gary Swanson to beat up a woman. Mr. Sullivan felt the violence was gratuitous and unwarranted by the story. He vigorously protested the part and the script was changed. "I didn't want to act as an advocate of abuse," he says. "That's a social disservice I would never promote."

Aww, watching those Maureen and Vanessa fun talk scenes made me so sad.

Yeah it was used when Billy and Victoria first brought home Lucy if I recall right. The other classic theme I remember being played in 2011 is when Victor personally handed over an a grand jury indictment to Jack in June 2011 this theme was playing: I personally love the Genoa City theme, that was used up through at least 1993: And of course, my favorite, the 3 A.M. Theme! Or Nick & Grace's theme lol, but it was also used for Diego & Sharon, Sharon & Cameron, Ryan & Tricia, and Neil & Alex etc. I thought it was a late '90s and early '00s theme for affairs, but I have found it was used as early as 1994 for Jill & Jed!

Probably one of my favorite Season 11 moments is when Anne and Paula end up wearing the same hideous yellow dress. I too was disappointed by the Michael/Linda/Eric triangle and I felt it lacked some energy. I know the actor who played Eric passed away in 1990 but I can't remember if we finally saw Michael and Eric make up after their huge fight before Eric left again. I really did like Lar Park Lincoln though it's too bad she didn't have much of a career after Knots.

It's posted up on its entirety on Youtube actually. The only downside is that the album mainly has all of the various romantic themes as well as the infamous cheating theme but none of some the more recognizable music that usually got played during catfigthts or dramatic sequences. It's fascinating though that Y&R did retain its original 70's background theme well into the '90s and probably one of the better things of the MAB/Sheffer/Hamner/Rauch era was that MAB did actually restore the soundtrack here and there at the times, including using the Brooks theme as late as 2011.

Apparently the boyfriend was arrested for DUI just four hours later after Locklear's arrest: http://people.com/tv/heather-locklears-boyfriend-charged-with-a-dui-hours-after-her-felony-domestic-battery-arrest/

I picked up a copy of "Jonathan's Story" that was in the free bin at a second-hand book store I frequently visit. Even though that was a bad era of the show I did feel nostalgic and felt just sad that the book was in the free bin.

So I had tracked down ART's final episode as Connor and it's interesting because the episode pretty much gives a summary and a conclusion to Cal/Connor overall. Batten took over the on 2-27-97 episode, I don't believe her Connor and Cal shared anything at all. From the 2/25/97 episode:

I remember way back on the old WOST website it was discussed that Charlie's entire death story was almost entirely lifted from Gil's death right down to the dialogue, and that SOD published a complaint from one viewer and their mother that the story was poor and was "just another dead husband for Ada". The most perplexing attempt for a historical tie-in was saying that Joe Carlino was Nancy McGowan's high school sweetheart. Just utterly bizarre.

Nah by the time Judi Evans was hamming it up on her stint as Bonnie on Days, I knew just like Ameila Marshall, Andrea Evans, and Kathleen Noone over on Passions at the time that her best days were far behind her. By the time I started caring for Beth again after the Lorolei fiasco was over, Conboy & Weston had Beth sleep with Jeffrey in a Japanese restaurant and subsequently drop her to recurring status. To which Kriezman and Wheeler never properly used Beth at all either and kept her around as an afterthought.

Victor should have fallen in love with Cassandra and married her, leading to years of volatility for the Newman Family. Ashley and Brad fall in Love and marry in 1991. Jack exposes the truth that Ashely isn’t an Abbott with Dina’s return in ‘91 but John reveals he knew all along and doesn’t care about biology and wants Ashley as his heir apparent. Can you only imagine the fireworks as a result from all of that?

Thanks for the info Carl!!! @DRW50

Don Stewart was unwilling to work with Beverlee McKinsey? That's a darn shame, I wonder why. Was Stewart intimidated by McKinsey? I knew Zaslow and McKinsey couldn't stand each other off-screen but still were able to make an amazing presence together on-screen.

What was the point of rewriting Iris' backstory in 1978 and then rewriting it twice in 1988? Other than damaging Iris' ego and Electra complex it all seemed so pointless. I can see why now Bill Bell simply left Ashley's true parternage a secret to be left unspoken.