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Ah it may have been in '95 when Taylor was running around with Sally and Gladys with that hideous British accent. Her 2005 return she disrupted on Nick and Bridget's umpteenth weddings by screaming and getting kidnapped and everyone thought they saw Taylor but weren't sure. Brooke and Taylor were actually initially very civil when Taylor showed up alive and were trying to accept each other.

Hey guys, thanks for sharing those 1994 episodes! It was a good time period for B&B really although it was indeed cheesy! I certainly remember when Taylor first got her memory back it was a really, really bad joke: Omar: And today we shall go horseback riding to a lovely view on the top of the ridge! Taylor: On top the Ridge? Ridge? Ridge? RIDGE?!!? Oh that sounds so familiar!!! As for Michael Sabatino he made a decent, sexy villain on the show, probably the last time he actually looked decent in a role(he really let himself go). The Ivana murder caper was fun, although it was sad that the zany, sinister Ivana was so brutally murdered and then Sally being gunned down on the way to canasta by Anthony during the story's climax.

*Patty* caused Traci's first miscarriage?? How did this happen? I love this thread because it reveals so many little details that we usually don't read about in general synopses... And OMG @ Lauren's while buried alive - that must have been totally gruesome to watch! Traci had her first go around with Tim Sullivan who was still married at the time and ended up pregnant and convinced Danny to claim to be the father and marry her. Patty, who was still recovering from her mental illness was in love with Danny. Well Patty was so upset with Danny marrying Traci that she confronted Traci and the two got into a big argument which lead to Patty pushing Traci down a staircase leading to a miscarriage. The story ended up being Patty's exit story as an angry Danny chased her out of town. Lauren's was bad as she had been kidnapped by her fan club president Shawn Garrett who was obsessed with her and forced her to go to San Francisco with him. The clips I have seen are pretty dark for Lauren's being buried alive.

Jill's birthday party was up on YT a couple years ago to it's full extent but I'm quite sure it's probably been taking down. It was so lovely to see again from Jill's car being stolen while sleeping with Jed and having to cough an explanation quite to the amusement of Mamie to Nikki confiding her feelings for Jed to Katherine at the same moment Jill and Jed did as much oral as the censors allowed to Mamie giving Jill hell over breakfast with Mamie simply responding "Soon you will be doomed Jill". Even here, it was hilarious that Mamie adamantly ignored Jill's request in that Jill had to pour her own coffee. Jill had obviously severely underestimated Mamie of just being John's version of Esther,

Thanks for both eps! Loved the high tension between Dru, Neil, and Olivia in the first one along with the aftermath of Victoria being Miss September. The second I was more fascinated with the fallout of Jill's infamous Bday party disaster along with Mari Jo vs. Ashley more so than Nina's story.

I'd love to see them if it is possible!! Ryan was more similar to Brad in a way except lacking the extra sleaze and sarcasm that made Brad memorable. Not sure if it was Bergman's clause or not or had started under Lester. Of course in the '80s it seemed that pregnancy on Y&R often resulted in disaster anyways: Patty's miscarriage, Patty being the cause behind Traci's miscarriage with Tim Sullivan's kid, Jill's miscarriage, Faren's abrupt miscarriage, Lauren's miscarriage while buried alive, Ashley's abortion, and Traci's miscarriage in the wake of Brad's disappearance. I figured as much a character like John III/Jack Jr. would be more like Victor and hence a rival to Nick than anything else. I actually almost wish Stephen Lassiter and Ashley would have had a kid together just so Ashley would have had another kid.

I believe I at least saw one although I actually do remember watching the story when it first originally aired as well. Cast and Reeves did an exceptional job with it but I felt it was also so unfair to give Nina another "woe is me" story as opposed to something positive for a change like having a baby. She certainly deserved happiness for a change. In the big picture both of Nikki's miscarriages lead to bigger storylines in the long run that may or may not have happened otherwise. Don't know about Braeden's influence but there's been a long standing myth of a "Jack can't have kids" clause given the number of miscarriages(5) and paternity fakeouts(3, maybe 4) Jack has been through with Keemo and Kyle being the two exceptions. I feel if John Abbott III have indeed lived on by the time Victor and Nikki eventually remarried they probably would have done a story of him preferring his stepfather Victor over Jack and fall under Victor's influence permanently.

While I've got it on my mind, what was the point of Nina's miscarriage with Ryan? I know it was a touching story(the balloons, Ryan's bond with young Phillip IV/Chance) and was well received but what the heck was the point? Even back then I felt it was so very unnecessary.

These 12-18-97 closing credits feature Miguel, an open shirted Cole, a shirtless Ryan(yes!), Gordon Thomson in an unmemorable guest stint he did, and Tricia in an outfit that would be reused for her '98-99 opening credits: And here's a 1996 promo that incorporated the opening credits into for each character profile. Never knew Victoria's dress was that short until this:

The Allyson Rice-Taylor final airdate has been hard to penetrate actually; Connor's SOC profile mentions January air dates but clearly this is not the case. I can't remember it for sure myself but for a safe airdate I would say no later than the March 7th, 1997 episode for sure. Believe it or not Chris Browning would debut as the first David Stenbeck just two days later. It's almost hard to imagine that this whole Diego/Lily saga went from getting revenge for Damien's death only to lead directly into a James Stenbeck return caper but somehow the nimrods in charge at the time let it happen, I suppose they were desperate to turn ATWT back around.

A couple years ago and probably 150+ pages back I had shared the 2/21/97 episode, and this is the Monday followup during the Who Shot Diego mess;

haha You're welcome. I'm glad to hear some people are enjoying them, I actually went through the archives on here recently and discovered that this wasn't exactly a very popular era to say the very least, especially Sheila's whole return. I couldn't help as I was browsing through the comments but think to myself 'if only you all knew what was to come.' I don't know what it is about J.T, but for as long as I can remember, I have absolutely hated the character. Could never work out why exactly. Oh, I gave up on Mac when Ashley Bashioum left. The only time I seem to be invested in the teen scene on Y&R in general is looking at the 1994-2002-ish years. And as for Brad, he's a character that I wouldn't say I disliked, but I never really paid much attention to. He was just sort of there. I agree 100% however, he and Heinle strangely had some damn good chemistry together. I liked those two together far more than when she was paired with Billy Miller. Speaking of Brad, I went back recently and watched his final episodes back in 2009. I had totally wiped that scene where they find him from my mind, that image of him frozen under the ice will forever be burned into my mind. I was never a fan of JT for years as he sometimes could come off as a pompous self-righteous ass despite his own short-comings like sleeping with Anita Hodges, Julie Pinson's character, and putting down Colleen for her short comings. However I liked him once he was paired with Victoria and began working with Paul, that's probably been the only pairing I've liked that AH's Victoria has had. Going back to YRfan23's sharing that 1994 of Brad's heart attack once I had heard that Brad was going to die, I had hoped that Bard was going to die from a heart attack while having sex with Sharon. At least it would have better explained Sharon's madness after having Brad die between her thighs. I do find watching 1982 Y&R so interesting because their is a good deal of mix between classic elements of Y&R and more familiar elements of Y&R post 1982. Victor being the corporate raider he is by taking over Prentiss while Nikki had to rival Lorie Brooks, Jack lusting after Chris Brooks while also having chased after Peggy Brooks. It's just so fascinating and I just have to wonder how Y&R would have have been had Bell decided to the Fosters and Brooks families stick around for the '80s and '90s.

Just finished watching that 1980-1985 compilation and it was an amazing! Thanks so much again for sharing! Julia got involved in Eve's schemes as a way to get revenge against Victor but later had a change of heart and decided to work against Eve as she finally forgave Victor for his past sins. I've seen Vanessa's fall before, but this is the first time I've seen the scene of Vanessa's funeral with Lucas' rage against Lorie and opening up Vanessa's coffin like that. Add to the list of unforgettable Y&R moments. Ya gotta love Katherine at this point as being Nikki's friend through the whole ordeal while in the meantime she's wickedly plotting away against her old nemesis Jill or Allison Bancroft somewhere. Ashley has always hated Dina with a passion for the abandonment and it has been brought up many, many times over the years. Dina being lovers with her boyfriend Eric Garrison or discovering Brent Davis was her father just added extra coal to the boiler. The child actor who played Chuckie was miles ahead of David Hasselhoff. I wonder why Bell never thought to bring back Chuckie in the '90s to give Jill some nephew she could control. Looking at the big picture, as much I loved the run I have to think that Dickson's '83-'87 run was somewhat betraying of the Jill we knew from '73-'83. Granted Jill should always be a fierce creature but I think Jill being the superbitch was a bit too much, especially once Dickson developed a British accent. I knew they brought back Adair to sub for Dickson in '86, did they ever ask her to come back full time in '87 once Dickson was going to be off the show for good? Then again I believe Adair quit acting at the end of her Days run in '95 and was doing a lot of primetime work post Y&R(Dynasty, Finder of Lost Loves etc.) so maybe she didn't want to commit at the time. I guess my one wish list is to see Bond Gideon as Jill. I heard it was baaad. Then again Melinda O. Fee seemed to do Jill okay.

I think I left out of the part about the fact Katherine and Jill only thought they were mother and daughter because of manipulation of results from Liz Foster. It was horrible to throw something like that in there and throw the show original matriarch under the bus like that, It was a highly bizarre and unnecessary twist but I think I had grew to somewhat accept it, although I HATED whenever Jill would say to Katherine "Oh mother!". Completely unbelievable. It is difficult could to say what keeping Phillip III alive would have contributed at all to the show in the '90s. Certainly 1989-1991 was a splendid time for the trifecta of Katherine, Jill, and Nina, but obviously by 1995 I can imagine Bell wondering why he killed off Phillip. I imagine if Phillip had lived to see 1995 he probably would be helping cover up Jill's extramarital affairs while sleeping with Victoria to get back at Nina for divorcing him to be with Ryan after becoming tired of his recurrent benders. Of course by 1995 Phillip III's entire situation changes when he meets gold digging Phyllis, who almost immediately dumps Danny to be with him, much to Jill and Katherine's horror and chagrin. Well until we found Phillip's secret lover in France was Chase Benson. Daisy Carter could have worked with a ten times more competent writing and a twenty times more competent actress. Even watching old episodes of ER Zima was a terrible child actor!

What were there biggest mistakes? Bell's said his biggest mistake was killing off Phillip III and well we saw how rectifying that turned out. Alden's was making Katherine and Jill mother and daughter(or was that Smith?) and while the twist was undone it eventually lead to bringing on Tucker McCall and shoving him down our throats for over three years.

The problem with MAB is that she ended up copying a lot of things just for the irony or just trying remake history repeat itself: -Katherine and Marge story revisited complete with Clint Radison -Kevin seeing Terrible Tom's ghost again. -Brad and Colleen dying in the same lake. -Attempt to correct Bill Bell's alleged biggest mistake. -Finding Nina's long lost son. -Victoria arrested at her wedding just like Phyllis was. -Victor/Sharon revisited. -Victor throwing a chair out a window on Adam like Jack did on Victor. -Sharon presumed dead after a carjacker attacked her and died just like Victor in 1993. -Jack being shot in the same exact manner Ryan was. -Revisiting the Malcolm/Neil paternity feud by having Neil do the reverse to Malcolm. -Attempt to correct Kay Alden's alleged biggest mistake. -Meggie McClaine is the new Sarah aka Veronica Landers. -Attempt to milk the most out of Pheila.

Brian Kerwin and Howard McGillian went on to become bigger stars than Wings Hauser ever was and Hauser wants to talk [!@#$%^&*]? Even Houghton is better known to Y&R fans! Roberta Leighton was so underused in her run ultimately and went the way of Matt Miller. To which both characters should have been uses a whole lot more but ended up being footnotes. It's almost hard to to see that David Hasselhoff and William Grey Espy played the same role sometimes. I know Espy is best known for his AW role but it was still was nice to see him return in 2003

Watching that 1/3/92 episode and it's a little sad what's happened to Victor's character over the years. Here he was so concerned about Nikki's well being and was trying to get her to fight her alcoholism. Today Victor would probably shame Nikki for her drinking, call her a drunken whore, and then kick her to the curb instead of trying to help. He would then justify his ostracizing of her saying it was to protect his family from negative raging alcoholic.

YRfan23, if I haven't given you enough love yet I want to extend you a GIANT BEAR hug for sharing these summer '93 episodes. That summer of '93 for Y&R has the fondest memories for me for classic Y&R and being off from school I don't think I missed an episode that summer. I'm about to watch them all in the fullest.

I'd agree with Bell on that one, given Danny was pretty unpopular with viewers at the time and apparently throwing him at Christine was the only thing they could think of to sustain him. Phyllis had at least given Danny extra shelf life, but Paul and Christine went back to the summer of '93 and pretty much made their footnote in Y&R history between Paul saving Christine from Michael and them saving Margret and Miles by working together and later saving April. What made it so bad was that Katherine even appeared out of the black hole she was in at the time to advise Danny to reclaim Christine. I can't imagine what kind of "music storyline with Callie" Alden had planned with Callie and Danny except it would have had to have been very boring had it played out.

A rare glimpse of Nikki #1, Erica Hope:

It was a really dumb plotline that in his victory lap over Phyllis Danny decided to pursue Christine again to woo her away from Paul when they had already been happily married for two years. I guess that's why they ended up letting Damien go and writing Danny out due to lack of story line.

Here is the recap for Y&R on this day exactly twenty years ago for Thursday, December 7th 1995:

I actually didn't understand the multiple Daniel recasts either and it's funny that the first Daniel has been far more successful than Graz who seemed to do more outside work while on Y&R since leaving it. Unfortunately it wasn't until 2008 when Danny came back for the show's 35th anniversary and made up with Daniel that I finally realized how stupid that plot-line had been in hindsight. Still I'll admit I loved Stafford and Phyllis from her return until Phick happened. There was a weird line back in 2010 when Nikki was in rehab and Victor blasted her for her relations with Deacon whom Victor called "scum just like Brad Carlton, Bobby Marsino and David Chow!" I just never understood why Victor felt compelled to name Bobby Marsino of all people to that list.

Not along while watching stuff on Y&R from 1987 I came across where Victor forgave Ashley for having the abortion and it was really sweet and moving. Probably something Braeden would never do today as the Victor has transformed from anti-hero to super-villain. Even Vito Corleone was more humble that Victor is. I don't think it wasn't until about 2000 or so when I first started hating on Victor between his relationship with Ramona(Victor's got show off his mojo!) and attempting to start a relationship with Ashley while using her at the same time(right before Spermgate). That's when I fell out with Victor. The sad thing about Victor and Diane was in spite of their less than humble beginnings they really fell in love with each other despite the cost. We had to see Victor painfully explain to a hurt Hope he had married Diane just as she was about to tell Victor Jr. of his true paternity. We saw a humbled Jack toast the couple and then support Victor and advise him of his options of having children with Diane inspite of the vasectomy. The only good thing about Victor and Genevieve was Jill eavesdropping in a geisha disguise and ended up ruining their business plan. Really only Jill can attack Victor and win these days, but with Jill only making rare appearances we probably won't get to see the two titans clash again.