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I wonder if Cindy would have returned to GL if asked for a Jackie return story, at least by the time her primetime career had cooled off. Not that GL cared...

It does seem like he was going to say more if given the chance. Watching some of that again made me realize it was Hillary, not Ellen, who told the story of Scott Holmes working in Charleston - she said that a friend of hers was on a tour there and recognized him. Another neat little story I had not fully heard on first watch is that Barbara was one of the only ATWT characters Hillary knew before joining the show because a friend of hers was a big fan of Barbara. And that friend was Dick Wolf's first wife.

She has that late '80s CBS look. Either a role like that that or someone who got killed off by a psycho on Knots after about four episodes. Maybe the Luke stuff was just mentioned in his later years. I have such contempt for Luke that I may just be casting aspersions retroactively. And yes, Sarah's Carly was ugly and riveting to watch.

Not to take this back into the past too much, and your memory is better than mine, but I have vague memories of stuff like heavy implications of Luke sleeping with prostitutes throughout his marriage even by the late '90s. I do agree Luke's contempt for Lucky didn't really start until Greg was in the role. Lucky and Lulu both had a priority in a way which also felt like reinforcing Guza's hostilities, for me - JJ also had to play Lucky being vile toward the woman he was meant to love, and not caring about the kids much, while JMB (badly) played Luke Jr. Carly is interesting to me because I never really loved the writing for her. If I look back I may appreciate it more now, especially with what she has become. Either way, I can't see KT being able to play it. She has her moments but comes across with the depth of a love interest on Jake and the Fatman who turns out to be the killer.

I think the seeds were already being sewn in 1997 because that's when Tony's contempt for L&L and for Luke being a husband or father was starting to be nurtured That's what put Lulu and Lucky where they are now. I never really thought Lucky's return was going to work, for that and several other reasons, although I thought it was going to last longer than it did. One could argue that Carly was written in an uglier way than Britt, even if they tried for some sympathy (like when Carly had agoraphobia for five minutes), but Sarah was just so much better.

I almost wish they had written her this way again when Carrie Mowery played the part. She was very brittle and might have worked as a bitch. Cindy Pickett just had so much heart in the role, maybe the Dobsons picked up on that. By the time of what is available to us, she is a long-suffering heroine in the grand old soap style, almost to the point of parody if not for Cindy's incisive work.

This is an episode from 1983 and a clip from about a week later that were on Youtube a few years ago but I couldn't find them now (if I missed them my apologies). I'm not completely sure about the dates but they were what was on the files.

To me JMB only really managed a believable relationship near the end of her tenure (and I didn't even think that one was fantastic), but I don't want to have to keep waiting to see if Eden will manage to get the right roll of the dice right before she leaves (or the show ends). I keep seeing some talk about how great she and Dex were compared to how she is with Vaughn but I don't see a big difference. I think Dex just fit more of the traditional younger leading man profile for a soap that has appeal to some viewers.

Yeah, I know little of them. I always associate her with Keith in this period. They're a fun part of this though, especially Robin.

That's a good concept for Emma - not sure of the last young woman along those lines. Maybe Maxie, but I never thought Maxie was well-written outside of a few individual moments. I wonder if they even had any plans for Emma or if they just liked the actress and gave her a part. Maybe at the time she was cast they were going to have Emma/Gio/Joss. I could see that happening when Vaughn goes to model jock straps in the great beyond.

NAC could have stayed on the show for ten years and I don't think the show would have done more with Sprina than they did. Clearly some of the same factors are not present with Gio and Emma, but one still is - Joss. Joss was meant to be the chosen one for the powers that be, even if that now somehow means Debbie Does WSB. Emma, who is mostly related to people who people who will never have a major role on the show again, was not. I think she was meant to be there as a bitch or brat, maybe with some vulnerability, but not a central heroine.

IIRC, they did not kiss. I think Colton Little suggested they couldn't say much about it, although maybe that was another actor.

After whatever went on with the Paul and Andrew wedding, they may be under more pressures than we realize, although I think those who run the show would never have felt comfortable with much more than we get now.

Thanks as always @slick jones

Even after all these years RSW still can't act. Cat's hair looks awful. Is she going to go on a secret mission to try to win a VH1 dating show from 2006?

That might be one of Trina's more memorable scenes in a while.

https://people.com/family-matters-alum-darius-mccrary-arrested-near-us-mexico-border-11828519

https://deadline.com/2025/10/bravo-wendy-osefo-wife-swap-episode-arrest-real-housewives-spinoff-1236577618/ @Gray Bunny That really is a startling photo. I don't know if it's just trying to seem like you're not bothered and your plastic surgery can't make the proper face, or if it's something else, but oof.

I do remember thinking she and Rafe had chemistry (I think I did - I don't know now). There was a lot they could have tried. I didn't realize she lives in England so you're all probably right that it's not likely to happen.

Yes. That's why I said she could just be around or pop up. She wouldn't really need to drive story. She could come in and out like Jennifer does.

If it gets to that point I hope they might consider working out something with Christie Clark - she wouldn't have to be big on the show, just be around. She's a warm presence and Carrie is not tainted by as many horrible stories or difficult pairings as many others of her era. I still think they missed a trick not having Lisa Trusel around more often - not leading story but at least as a recurring figure.

Yes I think a few other fragments or bits and pieces have shown up.

Thanks @Maxim Dorian would be scandalized at being compared to a cold fry, but I love it.

That and another episode (I think Bill Bauer spying on a ceremony meant to be a posthumous tribute to him) were put on DVD by We Love Soaps.