[YRBB]

Once more, a place for a general discussion of Y&R. I guess you can also call this the "Haters" thread, August Edition.

This post has been edited by YRBB: 01 August 2009 - 03:38 AM

[Sylph]

bellcurve, on 01 August 2009 - 11:38 AM, said:

It doesn't.

I use "Pyshcic Espionage" when generally referring to the silly, supernatural stuff that Hamner likes to do in addition to this "Movie Murder of the Week."

LMAO!

[Y&RWorldTurner]

Faulkner, on 01 August 2009 - 11:12 AM, said:

Didn't Hogan Sheffer explicitly say he doesn't do corporate storylines? That doesn't excuse MAB, but when he was hired, I remembered that Sheffer had said that.

If he said that, then it shows the lack of common sense and intelligence that TPTB had when they decided to hire this guy.

How are you going to hire someone that doesn't do corporate storylines at Y&R? WTF!?

That level of utter incompetence and lack of care for this show from TPTB is very apparent.

This post has been edited by Y&RWorldTurner: 01 August 2009 - 02:15 PM

[Y&RWorldTurner]

As I mentioned in the writers/directors thread, I think Maria is most likely to blame any damage being done to this show and its horrible state right now on Sheffer and Hamner, than on herself, the enabler.

I believe all three should be fired, but I have a feeling she'd get rid of her two henchmen if we get any change soon.

We already know she can't plot a show by herself and has no ounce of creativity, so who she hires as her next Co-HW is a very vital decision.

In an ideal world, both her and her henchmen would be fired in one move.

[MarkH]

Y&RWorldTurner, on 01 August 2009 - 03:14 PM, said:

If he said that, then it shows the lack of common sense and intelligence that TPTB had when they decided to hire this guy.

How are you going to hire someone that doesn't do corporate storylines at Y&R? WTF!?

That level of utter incompetence and lack of care for this show from TPTB is very apparent.

Why are corporate stories so important to you? I'm genuinely curious.

There have been some good ones, IMO (especially when Brad-Jack took over Newman)...but for the most part I found them awful. Brash and Sassy. Saffra vs. Tuvia. Victor constantly owning Jabot and his brinksmanship. Corporate sabotage and Victor's prosecution. I really hated most of that. I actually really enjoyed NVP in the early days (NOT Clear Springs...just NVP)...but I suspect I was alone in that.

I'd rather NOT see too many corporate storylines. So, I'm eager to hear why others are missing them so much. I did very much like when Victor took over Prentiss Industries all those years ago...but that also demonstrates how redundant Victor's corporate stories have been.

[Y&RWorldTurner]

MarkH, on 01 August 2009 - 05:12 PM, said:

Why are corporate stories so important to you? I'm genuinely curious.

When the only professional aspect of this show is Restless Style, you know something is wrong, very wrong.

I don't understand having Newman and Jabot on this show if nothing is going to be done with them.

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I'd rather NOT see too many corporate storylines. So, I'm eager to hear why others are missing them so much. I did very much like when Victor took over Prentiss Industries all those years ago...but that also demonstrates how redundant Victor's corporate stories have been.

Regardless, if you like them or not, corporate intrigue used to make Y&R distinct from other soaps, and they used to excel at this type of storytelling. Some of them might have been recycled, but they were rather well-explained, and gave characters an outside life with problems that weren't strictly domestic, dealing with psycho villains, or some inane love triangle.

Who is asking for TOO MANY corporate stories? The fact is, this part of the show has been neglected, like so many other things, by this writing regime.

So, you'd rather more psychos, murders, rushed romances, weak women stories over one corporate tale?

This writing regime does not get this part of the show, which is a huge part. If you don't get a huge part of this show and freely admit that, you SHOULD NOT be writing for this show.

But then again, you were freely advocating for a baby switch storyline not so long ago, which I detested. So, you and I clearly come different story directions.

There's more to this show than just doom and gloom, there's a whole professional aspect that could give many characters something to do that isn't being explored.

This post has been edited by Y&RWorldTurner: 01 August 2009 - 04:34 PM

[CarlD2]

The problem is the show wants it both ways.

They don't want to do corporate stories, yet they want to try to drop them into the story at random times as plot points. Like this stupid storyline about Colleen's board seat. Or the embarrassing stuff with Gloria/Jeffrey/Jill going against Victor.

The other problem is that they aren't particularly doing other storylines well at the moment, most of the romances are horrible, most of the "thriller" stories are a confusing, repulsive monster. So they don't seem to even excel at what they enjoy.

[Amello]

I have stopped watching regularly. This show is ALWAYS supposed to be BETTER than the rest and now these "writers" have brought it down to the norm level of the current soaps.

This post has been edited by Amello: 01 August 2009 - 07:11 PM

[Faulkner]

Y&RWorldTurner, on 01 August 2009 - 05:29 PM, said:

Regardless, if you like them or not, corporate intrigue used to make Y&R distinct from other soaps, and they used to excel at this type of storytelling. Some of them might have been recycled, but they were rather well-explained, and gave characters an outside life with problems that weren't strictly domestic, dealing with psycho villains, or some inane love triangle.

I totally agree. I loved that Y&R's characters actually WORKED. After all, IRL, people spend most of their lives at work and most people consider their jobs integral parts of their identities. And work forces people to interact with people who are unlike themselves. Hence, you had Drucilla mixing it up with the Abbotts and the Newmans, and it helped make a more integrated canvas. (Notice how isolated Neil has become now that there are fewer corporate stories.) And work situations are always ripe for conflict, with insecure, ambitious people vying for power and validation.

Work gave people like Ashley, Jill, Neil, Brad, Victoria, etc. different shades to their personalities. Even if Jill's personal life was out of control, you could be sure she would kick some ass in the boardroom. Same with Ashley. It made them more complex, less one-note people.

[MichaelGL]

Even if you got rid of Sheffer, you'd still have one more person in charge who's against corporate storylines and that is Paul Rauch.

[bellcurve]

Faulkner, on 01 August 2009 - 08:28 PM, said:

I totally agree. I loved that Y&R's characters actually WORKED. After all, IRL, people spend most of their lives at work and most people consider their jobs integral parts of their identities. And work forces people to interact with people who are unlike themselves. Hence, you had Drucilla mixing it up with the Abbotts and the Newmans, and it helped make a more integrated canvas. (Notice how isolated Neil has become now that there are fewer corporate stories.) And work situations are always ripe for conflict, with insecure, ambitious people vying for power and validation.

Work gave people like Ashley, Jill, Neil, Brad, Victoria, etc. different shades to their personalities. Even if Jill's personal life was out of control, you could be sure she would kick some ass in the boardroom. Same with Ashley. It made them more complex, less one-note people.

This is what I'm talking about! I completely agree Faulkner.

And complete and total WORD to Y&RWorldTurner's post.

Amello, on 01 August 2009 - 07:11 PM, said:

I have stopped watching regularly. This show is ALWAYS supposed to be BETTER than the rest and now these "writers" have brought it down to the norm level of the current soaps.

Isn't it sad? Even worse, Y&R anchors every network daypart. Without it, soaps and most of network talk/game are kind of screwed.

This post has been edited by bellcurve: 01 August 2009 - 09:09 PM

[cara mia]

MichaelGL, on 01 August 2009 - 10:04 PM, said:

Even if you got rid of Sheffer, you'd still have one more person in charge who's against corporate storylines and that is Paul Rauch.

Then Rauch has to go, too.

The corporate storylines are (or were) the backbone of Y&R. Victor is a self-made man. He defines himself by his business success. Characters like Dru went from nothing to something through their careers. These jobs allow all the major plays to interact in a natural fashion and create natural rivalries and alliances. GH wouldn't hire a writer who couldn't write mob stories or hospital stories. B&B wouldn't hire someone who couldn't write fashion stories. Why is Y&R shooting itself in the foot? Jack used to define himself via Jabot. Now he defines himself via Sharon? WTF?! Jabot, Newman and Chancellor were natural places for characters to share awkward exchanges. You all know I hate Billy & Mac. That said, what if Mac had done the character-driven thing and joined CI as the head of Philanthropy. What if Billy, as a Jabot executive, had to go over to CI for business. There would have been plenty of natural opportunities for them to run into each other and play the awkward romance. That would felt a lot more real and given dimensionality to their "romance". Let's say Ashley has to be homebound. If she's still working from home, then there should be plenty reasons for Jack, Billy, and even Neil to stop by to talk business. Back when Adam was a character we cared about, that could have led to some good moments of Adam almost being caught. What about the Scoobs? Instead of chipmunks and Art and ambiguous rape and clint raddison, what if these full-grown adults had real jobs? What if Amber actually started a fashion line and it was funded by CI, so Amber has to check in with Kay and Neil at work. Maybe she hires Kevin as her accountant. Maybe Daniel becomes jealous because no one wants his art and he ends up making ends meet at Crimson Lights. There is so much you can do and so much room for play when people have jobs that they actually go to.

[Y&RWorldTurner]

Jill is too busy propping an impostor son to focus on business.

Jack to too busy being Sharon's doormat and proppping Patty Jane to focus on business.

Victor is too busy being dumbed down by this stupid gaslighting storyline and feeding his precious fragile Ashley to focus on real business.

Neil is nonexistence other than being there to hold Lily's hand, like the other African American characters on this show.

Ashley is just too stupid to focus on anything these days.

They killed Brad off with no fallout.

John Abbott is dead

Victoria is a pod-character, severely miscast, and is no longer the fierce business woman we knew under Heather Tom and better writing.

Nick is just led around by his dick.

Can anyone honestly tell me some, if not all, of these characters would be better off working and dealing with that side of their lives for a while?

Maria Arena Bell and her her henchmen haven't expressed one substantial interest in Y&R's corporate side since the beginning of their tenure with this show.

Corporate intrigue is being sidelined so the cover of Shitless Style can be be propped each month, because that's the only professional side allowed to be on this show!

Shitless Style hasn't been popular from DAY ONE, yet Maria still keeps her personal pet project to show her fashion friends how into fashion she still is. I don't know one person who has ever been fond of that magazine or anything related to it. I know it has not been the center of any storyline recently, but almost every month, there's some conflict with the cover of this stupid magazine, yet they can't do anything with the big corporate entities on this show.

This post has been edited by Y&RWorldTurner: 02 August 2009 - 04:45 AM

[Y&RWorldTurner]

So, anyone heard about this disaster of them exploring who Katherine's real daughter is and it's probably going to be someone already onscreen?

Does MAB ever learn that she creates more problems after attempting to solve them?

Watch it be Gloria, so I can quit this show for good without looking back.

This is the writing regime people want to give more time to?

This post has been edited by Y&RWorldTurner: 03 August 2009 - 01:17 PM

[dmarex]

Y&RWorldTurner, on 03 August 2009 - 02:13 PM, said:

Watch it be Gloria, so I can quit this show for good without looking back.

It might just be Gloria. The writers were probably looking for a way to keep the actress on the show and give her more airtime, so she fits perfectly in this profile.

[Y&RWorldTurner]

dmarex, on 03 August 2009 - 02:19 PM, said:

It might just be Gloria. The writers were probably looking for a way to keep the actress on the show and give her more airtime, so she fits perfectly in this profile.

God, this show never learns, right?

Well, if it is, I can cut Y&R out of my life for good and never look back.

[Sylph]

bellcurve, on 03 August 2009 - 08:42 AM, said:

Watch Katherine's real daughter be Gloria. Or Lauren or something.

Y&RWorldTurner, on 03 August 2009 - 02:13 PM, said:

Watch it be Gloria, so I can quit this show for good without looking back.

I love it how bellcurve nails these... Uncanny.

[Y&RWorldTurner]

More of Marie Antoinette, um, Maria Arena Bell stealing her stories from internet message boards, I see.

[ian]

oh it better not be [!@#$%^&*] Gloria...

[Y&RWorldTurner]

It's been one "are they related or not" storyline after another on this show this entire year.

And don't anyone give me this crap about MAB and her henchmen not thinking this sh!t is really good and interesting. If that were the case, it wouldn't be happening as much as it has.

This post has been edited by Y&RWorldTurner: 03 August 2009 - 01:55 PM

[Y&RWorldTurner]

So, I mentioned how bland and fake Y&R was beginning to look in HD in the discussion thread.

When I compare it to GH in HD, and on its own merits, the show is beginning to look bland as hell. On GH, the sets are beginning to look more realistic, and the lighting is finally cinematic, and the COLOURS REALLY POP! GH is looking like a beauty in HD, while our dear Y&R is starting to look bland and flat.

Maybe someone pushing 80, like Rauch, wasn't a good idea to handle production. I initially thought he improved the production and look of the show, well, not anymore. What Jill and company have made GH look like in HD with budget cuts is really starting to put Y&R's look in HD to shame.