2 minutes ago, Taoboi said:

1-12 Is it wrong that I've disappointed at how I was excited for a second in the cleverness of roping Lauren into Nikki's drinking...only to be reminded the next episode Nikki has New Guy Oscar. Lol. I was already spending storyline possibilities in my head. smh. I should have known better.

'New Guy Oscar' is Seth, the part Brian Gaskill is playing? So, now that he can't be Nikki's sponsor is his gig over? 

2 minutes ago, Taoboi said:

Overall, I thought this was a pretty decent week. I agree with who said it a page or so back about how Nate still is connected to Victoria somewhat (...but where have the Winters gone?). Not an easy feat given that Cole is back in town. Which speaking of Cole...I loved he had a scene with Ashley. Because refresh my memory...wasn't Cole leaving just as ED reclaimed her role of Ashley from SS? 

I liked the week. I liked Lauren's involvement but then I didn't like that she told Jack. Do these people have comprehension problems? What about confidential do they not get? Then it seemed terrifically weird to me that Jack had a pill problem & even weirder that he had never before told this to Diane. 

2 minutes ago, Taoboi said:

Speaking of Ashley, why are they wrecking her for Tucker? At least they are getting into the possibility of reconciliation between her and Tucker. At least they are talking...well arguing. But this 'is Ashley losing her mind or is Tucker gaslighting?' arc is making me feel this is just...foul.

I just cannot stand Tucker. Surely he is gaslighting her, right? I was surprised that they did not replay the Paris scene this week. They'd pretty much done so before. 

2 minutes ago, Taoboi said:

Sadly, I'm not feeling Sally/Adam anymore. And poor Nick. 

Why poor Nick? He's co-CEO. He seems to have healed. 

19 hours ago, YRfan23 said:

And to unfortunately renew the Aunt Jack/Victor rivalry.....

The "foreshadowing" was pretty over-the-top 😂

"But what will VICTOR think when he learns AUNT JACK is my sponsor?!?"

"I know, I know, their feud is legendary and goes back DECADES!"  

1 hour ago, Taoboi said:

Because refresh my memory...wasn't Cole leaving just as ED reclaimed her role of Ashley from SS? 

ED 1999 return was in the spring and J. Eddie Peck departed that fall. 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think J. Eddie Peck gave an exit interview in one of the soap mags where he said he didn't think he and ED connected as actors. 

 

Knowing Josh Griffith’s aversion to drama Jack being Nikki’s sponsor will probably end up being no big deal. In fact JG will probably have Victor singing Jack’s praises and end their feud while Nikki and Diane become besties. 

4 hours ago, Broderick said:

The "foreshadowing" was pretty over-the-top 😂

"But what will VICTOR think when he learns AUNT JACK is my sponsor?!?"

"I know, I know, their feud is legendary and goes back DECADES!"  

Why do you all call him Aunt Jack? Private joke? That's funny as hell, but I'm not privvy to the reference.

Soon after Peter Bergman took over the role (30+ years ago), the writers began giving him these cringe monologues in which he dramatically pours out his soul to other characters.  It likely began during the Saigon Shack storyline, where he was asked to deliver these wretchedly over-the-top speeches to Keemo about "being the fruit of my loins".  He delivered one of those speeches to Nikki this week.  ("I've been there myself, Nikki.  Thank God  Neil and Phyllis were there for me!  I want to be there for you, Nikki.  I want to be your sounding board!  I want to be your punching bag!  Whatever you need -- as God is my witness! -- I will be there for you!!")   

Instead of "downplaying" the theatrics and making the scene look somewhat genuine, Peter Bergman amplifies his intensity, becomes overly earnest and sincere, employing deep conviction, turning on the tears, wringing every ounce of emotion from his performance, channeling all the great sirens of the silver screen in the golden age of Hollywood, as if he's trying to outdo Vivien Leigh, Miss Barbara Stanwyck, and Joan Crawford in delivering the most poignant and heartfelt monologue in the history of cinema.  

And it often ends up looking downright silly.  

35 minutes ago, Broderick said:

Soon after Peter Bergman took over the role (30+ years ago), the writers began giving him these cringe monologues in which he dramatically pours out his soul to other characters.  It likely began during the Saigon Shack storyline, where he was asked to deliver these wretchedly over-the-top speeches to Keemo about "being the fruit of my loins".  He delivered one of those speeches to Nikki this week.  ("I've been there myself, Nikki.  Thank God  Neil and Phyllis were there for me!  I want to be there for you, Nikki.  I want to be your sounding board!  I want to be your punching bag!  Whatever you need -- as God is my witness! -- I will be there for you!!")   

Instead of "downplaying" the theatrics and making the scene look somewhat genuine, Peter Bergman amplifies his intensity, becomes overly earnest and sincere, employing deep conviction, turning on the tears, wringing every ounce of emotion from his performance, channeling all the great sirens of the silver screen in the golden age of Hollywood, as if he's trying to outdo Vivien Leigh, Miss Barbara Stanwyck, and Joan Crawford in delivering the most poignant and heartfelt monologue in the history of cinema.  

And it often ends up looking downright silly.  

It's said often enough, but oh how different things would be if Terry Lester never departed the role, nearly 35 years ago....

 

LOL perfect description of PB @Broderick I noticed he was just as affected when speaking as himself on the Y&R 50th anniversary special (where he obnoxiously noted that he'd won an Emmy whereas Lester never had - in my view, that was due to his ABC friends as Y&R's actors did not get much Emmy love during the 80s). Sometimes I crack up when Bergman is the one doing the "brought to you by Palmolive" line after the commercial break, as if he's reading Shakespeare.

1 hour ago, BoldRestless said:

LOL perfect description of PB @Broderick I noticed he was just as affected when speaking as himself on the Y&R 50th anniversary special (where he obnoxiously noted that he'd won an Emmy whereas Lester never had - in my view, that was due to his ABC friends as Y&R's actors did not get much Emmy love during the 80s). Sometimes I crack up when Bergman is the one doing the "brought to you by Palmolive" line after the commercial break, as if he's reading Shakespeare.

I never liked PB. He comes across as so smug and thinks he's a better actor than he actually is. PB's first two Lead Actor wins were the results of the fields being weak. 

I mean, we also call him "Cliff Abbott" and "Jack Warner" for a reason, lol.

5 hours ago, BoldRestless said:

I noticed he was just as affected when speaking as himself on the Y&R 50th anniversary special (where he obnoxiously noted that he'd won an Emmy whereas Lester never had - in my view, that was due to his ABC friends as Y&R's actors did not get much Emmy love during the 80s).

Also, unless I’m mistaken, PB arrived at Y&R the same year Y&R first ascended to be the #1 daytime soap. He benefited from Y&R’s new status imo.

The writing for PB’s Jack was an easy layup, it leaned heavily on PB’s ability to turn on the waterworks but imo, the writing became too heavily reliant on PB’s saccharine weepy portrayal of Jack Abbott.

2 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Also, unless I’m mistaken, PB arrived at Y&R the same year Y&R first ascended to be the #1 daytime soap. He benefited from Y&R’s new status imo.

Y&R reached #1 December 1988. PB debuted November 1989.

Just now, kalbir said:

Y&R reached #1 December 1988. PB debuted November 1989.

Okay, thanks. It still proves my point that he was the beneficiary of Y&R’s status and clout as the #1 daytime soap.

I mean, I’m all for a sensitive man who’s not afraid to shed tears but PB’s Jack is downright maudlin.

Eh I saw nothing wrong with that scene. PB is a great actor. Y'all would be whining if he phoned it in. 🤣