4 minutes ago, Errol said:

Raven-Symoné famously insisted that her character, Raven Baxter on "Raven's Home," not be a lesbian just because she is in real life.

What you said above is exactly why I think actor's personal lives should be left out of their character's stories. However, Craig has been off the show long enough that it is plausible for this twist to be believable. Additionally, back when it was rumored that Kevin was gay (an era when that info was mostly taboo in the industry) many actually wanted Craig to be gay but not for the reasons you'd think. Some people couldn't fathom any other reason why someone that looked like Craig could get with someone that looked like Nancy since she was plus sized.

It's a shame, because they said that Craig was genuinely very attracted to Nancy, IIRC. 

I'm never a fan of that type of stunt. The latest, disastrous, version is on the flop Sex and the City revival.

1 minute ago, Soapsuds said:

The Phillip gay storyline was offensive because it was used to explain how he was alive and how/why he faked his death.

Craig being gay wouldn't be offensive. I'm sure you've heard of gay men marrying a woman and having children with her and years later coming out? @FrenchBug82

A former co-worker of mine married his wife, had a kid and they were married for 20 years. He's now happily married to a black man and they've been together for many years. His son is WAY taller than him (around 6'6 to his dad's 6' or 6'1), and hot AF.

11 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

It's a shame, because they said that Craig was genuinely very attracted to Nancy, IIRC. 

I'm never a fan of that type of stunt. The latest, disastrous, version is on the flop Sex and the City revival.

I loved that Nancy was unapologetic about her weight. And that Craig was attracted to Nancy.

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29 minutes ago, Errol said:

It's a mask, it's a mask... 

I wonder if @Errol means this as a general spoiler hint?  or is this related to Craig/Nancy?

8 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

It's a shame, because they said that Craig was genuinely very attracted to Nancy, IIRC. 

I'm never a fan of that type of stunt. The latest, disastrous, version is on the flop Sex and the City revival.

Steve deserved better on SATC and deserves better on AJLT. I watched about 20 minutes of the revival and had to turn it off. Not the show I grew up with, particularly from a structural standpoint.

Just now, janea4old said:

I wonder if @Errol means this as a general spoiler hint?  or is this related to Craig/Nancy?

You'll have to tune in to find out!

11 minutes ago, Errol said:

A former co-worker of mine married his wife, had a kid and they were married for 20 years. He's now happily married to a black man and they've been together for many years. His son is WAY taller than him (around 6'6 to his dad's 6' or 6'1), and hot AF.

Yeah it happens. I was once upon a time attracted to a female. We would talk on the phone for hours. I could've seen myself marrying her and having children too. Unfortunately things didn't work out. 

Edited January 14, 20223 yr by Soapsuds

6 minutes ago, janea4old said:

I wonder if @Errol means this as a general spoiler hint?  or is this related to Craig/Nancy?

I've seen speculation that someone (Ava?) wears a Sarah mask. 🥴

I understand the impulse. And if it was a different situation I might be more for it, since Kevin Spirtas has been flamingly gay for decades. But the Craig/Nancy thing was wish fulfillment for a segment of the audience and I think it's a shame to take that away from them. Nobody needed to make David Vickers gay on OLTL because I think most of us assume David was already omnisexual and would sleep with anything; why not simply do the same thing with Craig?

27 minutes ago, Errol said:

Some people couldn't fathom any other reason why someone that looked like Craig could get with someone that looked like Nancy since she was plus sized.

This is one of the reasons I am reacting as vehemently about it.
I definitely remember this and it makes it doubly offensive to "vindicate" this kind of gross thinking.
Their love story was incredibly positive representation - for characters that were not particularly likeable.
 

22 minutes ago, Soapsuds said:

The Phillip gay storyline was offensive because it was used to explain how he was alive and how/why he faked his death.

Craig being gay wouldn't be offensive. I'm sure you've heard of gay men marrying a woman and having children with her and years later coming out? @FrenchBug82

I have no objection to such a story being told. Pick any of the dozens of other straight men that have come through the show over the past thirty years to bring back and do that with.

I have a strong objection to it being told for a character whose portrayer is, oh look at that what a coincidence, one of the few out gay men on daytime. Let's not be naive about why they'd go there with Craig who has not been around in years, of all people, if the rumor is true. It is because KS is gay.
We have had VERY few out gay men on daytime and if they keep retconning their characters as gay, what message does that send?

And the Philip storyline was offensive for a gazillion reasons more than just the gay thing, we agree there.
But the fact Philip was all of sudden supposed to have been closeted when nothing had suggested as much was solely down to TB being gay.
And I stand by my anger at it.

Gay men can portray straight characters and not put in a box of only being able to play gay characters. And it is gross that when the number of out gay men on daytime is still fingers of one hand high, this would turn into a pattern.

I will say this about 'retconning characters to be gay': I'd do a Far From Heaven story with both Michael and Kevin on Y&R turning out to be gay and/or bi (probably Michael being bi and Kevin gay) in an instant. It doesn't destroy the audience's memories of the good times with Michael and Lauren but it is a more honest accounting.

Edited January 14, 20223 yr by Vee

14 minutes ago, Vee said:

I will say this about 'retconning characters to be gay': I'd do a Far From Heaven story with both Michael and Kevin on Y&R turning out to be gay and/or bi (probably Michael being bi and Kevin gay) in an instant. It doesn't destroy the audience's memories of the good times with Michael and Lauren but it is a more honest accounting.

I feel one of the reasons you might feel that way is that Michael/Lauren has been stuck on below-neutral for ten years and none of the pairings Kevin have been in have ever worked.
I hear that.
But I stand against it on principle - it sends a terrible message. If ALL the gay men on daytime were out, and this would be a small sample, I'd unclench my buttcheeks and accept some creative leeways (and it could be fun in a vacuum for those characters and as Soapsuds said it does happen in real life).
But when we have four or five and it has already been done once, it feels intentional and wrong to me.
It vindicates EXACTLY why all these actors stay in the closet: because they are terrified of being typecast in that way. And I want more people to be out and comfortable and the audience getting to see them do all kinds of roles.

In a world where sexuality is irrelevant to an actor's career and success, by all means, retcon away. Not in daytime in 2022, sad as it may be.

Edited January 14, 20223 yr by FrenchBug82

34 minutes ago, FrenchBug82 said:

This is one of the reasons I am reacting as vehemently about it.
I definitely remember this and it makes it doubly offensive to "vindicate" this kind of gross thinking.
Their love story was incredibly positive representation - for characters that were not particularly likeable.
 

I have no objection to such a story being told. Pick any of the dozens of other straight men that have come through the show over the past thirty years to bring back and do that with.

I have a strong objection to it being told for a character whose portrayer is, oh look at that what a coincidence, one of the few out gay men on daytime. Let's not be naive about why they'd go there with Craig who has not been around in years, of all people, if the rumor is true. It is because KS is gay.
We have had VERY few out gay men on daytime and if they keep retconning their characters as gay, what message does that send?

And the Philip storyline was offensive for a gazillion reasons more than just the gay thing, we agree there.
But the fact Philip was all of sudden supposed to have been closeted when nothing had suggested as much was solely down to TB being gay.
And I stand by my anger at it.

Gay men can portray straight characters and not put in a box of only being able to play gay characters. And it is gross that when the number of out gay men on daytime is still fingers of one hand high, this would turn into a pattern.

 

I just frankly think that as CLB has got campier and campier the pairing has seemed like more and more of a farce. I think you can tell a sensitive storyline about a bisexual Michael coming out late in life without dishonoring the couple. It's not like they're doing anything else! And it would definitely make the latter-day Michael more interesting.

5 hours ago, janea4old said:

"Craig arrives in Salem to set the record straight with Chloe and Nancy."
Yeah I've seen more than one person speculate...
To set the record straight... that he's not straight?

i'm telling y'all now, this is why Leo's coming back and will be on contract - to be Craig's love interest. But at the same time, I could see Craig being involved in some sort of affair with Sonny... lol