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I think Dante is reacting how most parents would react. -
5-2 Lord... At least the week started off well...I think. I don't know where to start. Oh, yes, I do. It was mostly background noise to me. There was nothing to the majority of the characters that were on. Meaning, it was mostly characters that I didn't care for or I've gotten accustomed to just FF-ing through. Or just zoning out. Even the possibility that Michael and Lauren might have a story was just meh simply because we have done this dance before and Lauren was coming across like Michael was working for Sonny on GH the mob. The biggest thing I really took away from last week was that the new costumer designer has stepped up her game again. It didn't bother me at all, but I wish there was some drama with this fashion. I liked Claire's outfit, LOVE Nikki's. And I continue to like brighter colors on Nick though I hated those pants. And I could go on about the clothes misses like Billy in that short sleeeve, but I digress. The only things that held my interest... THE SICKENING OF COLE. As soon as he started to cough, I went uh oh. I'm happy to see he might be getting a story. And I guess it shows how much history I have with the character that I care. But still...ugh. ALL THINGS AUDRA. I admit that I was taken aback to see Victor with her at Crimson Lights. When was the last time he was there? I want to say recently with Kyle/Claire, but otherwise I still found the scene taking me aback. But I like her being soft with Kyle who actually came across annoyingly flirty for someone that hates Audra. I actually can't wait for him to eat crow. And since Audra is now being used to drive a wedge between Kyle and Claire, I have to talk about... SUMMER'S EXIT. Mmmm...mixed feelings. It don't seem half as bad as others appear to see it. Yes, if I didn't have the context, it still seem odd that her part in the Kyle/Claire drama was barely touched on. And she interacted with everyone I felt she should interact with. But in the overall context...I still didn't mind the exit. Though it was abrupt. I did like hearing that Noah and Allie are still together. And don't get me started on the offscreen Mariah drama. -
I'm sure old Reva/Josh fans saw the writing on the wall--and this was their pattern. They (or usually Josh) was so angry that they'd spend months yelling at each other, and then "boom", they were macking up on each other, regardless of who else they were entangled with. (This is the couple who slept together under HB's roof while Reva was married to him, after all.) "Always". *gag me* -
I don't think we've seen the last of Erica Kane. That's something I will continue believing in. -
You are the best!!!! That is a remarkable talent, to not just summarize, but contextualize Draper's dilemma! It is delightful to be able to think of that situation in a new way. - Thank youPlease register in order to view this content
I was pondering Lee Godart's accent, because it was so dreamy. It made me think he would've been perfectly cast as Victor Newman's brother on Y&R. American's have a hard time distinguishing European accents. And, good news, before I hit reply, I went and confirmed the actor is still alive. -
Has anyone even told Gio that Sonny once shot Dante? -
By skiman12082004 · Posted
There are so many missed opportunities and story beats that could be played out on B&B. Hope was finally able to successfully move on from Liam, with Thomas, and what does Brad Bell do, he ruins it. Hope & Thomas, baggage and all, were really good together. Why Thomas is off the canvas is mind boggling, yet we have a terrible and completely useless character in Daphne still there, please make it make sense. I think Rick is needed on the show too. Have him come back and hook up with Taylor again. That would create some really good drama and cause Ridge & Brooke's heads to explode. And for God's sake just recast RJ and bring Jack to the show as an adult to rip Brooke a new one for basically ignoring him all these years. But yeah, just my opinionPlease register in order to view this content
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By Paul Raven · Posted
Lonely Women was Irna Phillips first new serial since Right to Happiness Lonely Women: NBC: June 29, 1942 to Dec. 10, 1943. (76 Weeks) General Mills Totals: 76 Consecutive Weeks - 380 Episodes Broadcast Irna retooled and renamed the show Today's Children but I don't believe it had any association with the 1930's version. Today's Children NBC: Dec 13, 1943 to June 2, 1950. (338 Weeks) IRNA PHILLIPS is one of radio's most famous writers. Since 1930 her serials have thrilled radio listeners. Just turning 40, she is probably the highest paid woman in the radio industry. For years she has been turning out more than two million words of serial copy each year-enough to make twenty good sized novels. At present Miss Phillips is supervising the writing of four famous dramatic programs. They are "Road of Life " "Guiding Light." "Woman in White " and "Right to Happiness, " To these is now added the new serial, "Lonely Women. This is the author's introduction. WITHIN the cycle of the hours there comés to each one of us, consciously or subconsciously, a split second in which we experience a sense utter aloneness—indefinable, indescribable, yet so poignantly real—that split second of aloneness which can never be shared with anyone. But because of the complexities of life, this split second of aloneness for hundreds of thousands of men and women has extended itself into hours, days, years. We've all heard at one time or another the expression "I never feel so alone as when I'm in a crowd. " We've laughed at the facetious remark "When I'm with you I'm alune. " "You can't know how I feel—how can you, you've never been in my shoes?"—" I wish you could have been with me"—"1 wish you could have seen"—"If only you'd been there"—"It's no f u n doing things alone " . . . common, everyday expressions that each one of us uses, hardly knowing that we do, not recognizing at the moment the universal theme that underlies these common, every-day expressions — the theme of loneliness. Thousands upon thousands of men and women have remained within the bonds of matrimony because they were afraid—are afraid of starting over again, alone. Th e mere physical presence of the other is enough to satisfy at least a small part of the need for some sort of human communion that Is so necessary to make us comfortable . Whether we should blame civilization with Its repetition of wars for the ratio that exists between men and women today is a little difficult to decide. However, we do know that there are more women than men in the world. Out of curiosity I called upon Webster to define the word "alone, " and this is Webster's definition: "Unaccompanied; solitary; single: unmarried" : and he adds, "Usually of women, with humorous or pathetic implication; as a poor lone woman. " Perhaps because there is no one as concerned with woman's destiny as a woman, it occurred to me that an audience primarily made up of women would be interested today, of all times, when men—husbands, brothers, sweethearts sons—are leaving their home s to defend those homes .. . it occurred to me that these women would be interested in a story of lonely women. Perhaps, too, I felt the woman who from time to time feels that hers is a humdrum existence of rearing a family, of preparing three meals a day, of waiting for the children, for the husband—t he woman who believes she sees glamour in the lives of thousands of women who are making their way, alone— w h o have careers, who are in constant touch with the outside world . . . perhaps I felt there was a message that could b e given to these wives, these mothers, these home makers. In the story of "LONELY WOMEN. " AT FIRST glance it might seem that being alone—feeling a sense of aloneness—implies depression, futility, unhappiness. This is not necessarily true. In fact, the sense, the feeling of aloneness can and often is an inexhaustible source from which come some of the most worth-while contributions to mankind . The scientist, the artist, the musician, the literary men and women throughout the ages have not been, as we so often think, alone. They have found an outlet for their aloneness in putting to work their God-given talents in something that could be shared by others. Neither you nor I nor hundreds of thousands like us have been given a divine talent; but in our daily existence we, too, can use our aloneness as an impetus to contribute something worth while to others. We may not be a Michelangelo, a Tschakowsky. an Einstein, a George Sand, an Eleonora Duse, an Elizabeth Browning; but we can create—we can express—we can give of ourselves . . . we can share with others those things that make up our daily existence. We women are in the majority . Th e effect that we can have on others can be as great if not greater at times than the contributions that have been made by men and women in the arts and sciences. In other words, we need not be alone—except in that split second that comes to each of us—that split second of aloneness which can never be shared with anyone. -
I decided to do something like a resume post where I will state some positive and negatives from the episodes I've seen so far. Don't hate me. It's just a very primitive overall feel of things. You guys know I love this show, but now... I can also compare it to other shows I've gotten into and make some notes. POSITIVES 1. The writing. When it's good - it's AMAZING. The dialogue makes you bond with the characters. There is development and nothing happens JUST LIKE THAT. We see the glimpses of emotion, then we see it evolve and grow into something big. Love is not written like a fast-cheap-meal like most soaps these days... but a struggle, a path, a learning process. Example - Sharlene and John's emerging relationship is the pearl in the show for me. It's done perfectly for my taste. The writers really LOVE to write for them. They give them dark and light. Beautiful and troubling moments. They make them grow together, but also put distance between them. It helps that the actors are so damn good. 2. The acting. This show impressed me the most in the beginning by how realistic and NOT over the top the performances are. Vicky... Sharlene... Iris... I can go on and on. Even Rachel has some amazing moments. Even though I think they are yet to give Rachel some more powerful stuff. She doesn't have a storyline other than defending her family and being a hawk that watches over them. Few exceptions - Donna Love - the recast actress. Not the real deal. Not my cup of tea, although I know she is good in other shows. Here... I find her incredibly 1 note. 3. The production values. The show is just beautiful. Yes, there are some moments where things are a bit cartoonish, especially when they are in costumes or having a ball, but overall Another World in this era (1988-1989) feels posh and sophisticated. The lighting is so flattering. So cinematic. If you don't know... you'll think you are watching a Hollywood movie at times. 4. The music. I'm very drawn to the soundtrack of this show. I like how the dramatic moments have this drippy, slow, building suspense music, that is so 80s... but still tasteful and powerful. Music if very important for me. It can make or break scenes. 5. The overall magic. It's just a symbiosis of things that make it work... Not all the time, don't get me wrong. The show has it's irritating and lacking moments. And that is something I'm going to delve in right now. NEGATIVES 1. Slow pace in some episodes. Especially since Swajeski replaced Lemay. There are episodes that nothing moves. Nothing happens in terms of plot or action. It's just beautiful dialogue and that's it. That becomes a problem at times, especially for my husband who is prone to fall asleep when he is bored. He loves the show, but I've also woken him up plenty of times. He really starts drifting off at the 5th minute of Vicky and Jamie talking about how Jamie still loves another woman. I like slow pace. But compared to All My Children, where every episode something really interesting happens... AW is really slow at times. Again I'm talking about the particular period I'm watching. 2. Not good enough cliffhangers. The episodes regularly end on a positive note... and then the next episode has NOTHING to do with the ending of the last episode. I am not a fan of this technique. Some may like it. I'm not one of these people. I like a shocking ending or an ending that makes me want to tune in next time. People watching from a window happily in love is not cutting it most of the time. 3. Too much LOVEY-DOVEY moments between couples. NOW... if there is a reason I desert this show in the future - this may be IT. I can't stomach seeing all these people constantly kiss and be happy together. It seems the show has this non-stop cycle of bickering and making up of couples. Of course, this is typical soap opera. But here in AW, compared to all the other shows I've seen - it's too much. Maybe the writers don't know what to do with some couples and that's why they write the same stuff every day. I get extremely bored seeing Amanda and Sam tell each other how much they love one another... when I know they will bicker in the next episode and then REPEAT that same stuff about love and caring again. At times the show is like a commercial for a dating service. Everyone seems so happy and merry, I get reflux. 4. The show seems confused at times at where is going. That's a storyline-plotting critique. There are periods where I've felt that not only the pacing is wrong... but overall the storylines are not going anywhere. There are positives in this - you can build characters, write fascinating dialogue... but still. My husband starts asking - so... when is Iris going to do something. She's just talking about it and nothing is happening episode after episode. I always tell him - TRUST THE SLOW BURN. But still... sometimes it doesn't feel like a slow burn, but just... confusion. Still I consider it a slow burn and trust it. 5. Felicia Gallant. The more and more I watch... the more I struggle to see how this character fits in the show. She's just like an odd man out... I'm not saying you can't have a character like this, but she is really out of place for me. Her storylines are not connected to the other characters as much... and she seems like an All My Children character that got lost in sea... and ended up in Bay City. I still love her... but... still - she feels like she doesn't belong in the show. Maybe that will change in the future. Maybe not. We'll see. And I'm also struggling to understand why her Joan Crawford wardrobe is always worn in kitchens and these incredibly domestic settings. I swear I remember seeing Felicia have breakfast in a MET Gala gown. It's cute... but I'm also... split about it. Can't decide how I feel.
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Carrie Nye is just a little too arch for my taste, slinking around like some python on the make. (And some of the dialogue she utters...I'm surprised she could say it with a straight face.) The Cottage story is just a little too convoluted (yes, I know, someone's thinking "this, from the defender of The Fishing Trip, say what again? LOL...). And it's centered on three characters I don't care about (Tony, Annabelle and Jim). Yes, even though Tony and Annabelle are at the center of the Fishing Trip, it's balanced out with Nola and Henry and is an umbrella story that ripples through the town. I don't give a rip about the Spaulding history backstory. Other than some gorgeous scenery and shots (when Alex and Victoria go to spread Brandon and ....(? I can't come up with her name off the tip of my tongue) ashes is beautiful. But this was an action adventure story that should've been grounded.
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