20 minutes ago, te. said:

Yeah, I'm surprised that they didn't retcon a kid into the timeline when Marlena was presumed "dead" between 1987-1991. Considering how much DAYS loves pulling the "long lost kid I didn't know I even had" card it's a bit shocking even.

They were even setting it up to be a thing in 1986 when Marlena was fainting on her and RoJohn's honeymoon.  Obviously, that's where the Gemini Twins story should have gone, but I wouldn't want lame Rex and Cassie to be their kids at all. Honestly, though, Jarlena have enough family running around Salem as is and post-1999 it would have been just small, temporary conflict for Jarlena to have another kid if any at all.  Marlena barely batted an eye at Paul being John's.

9 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

 

I think a lot of it was down to due to things like David being aged up, which also aged Julie up as a character. There was still a period where she and Doug could have had a child, in the late '70s and early '80s, but it seems like they were moved into an older bracket by that point.

I guess.  It still seems short-sighted.  Even if they were aged up.  Marlena had Belle who should be a year or so older than Will and Hope had Ciara who is the same age as Claire.  They should have been given at least one kid.

11 hours ago, Soapsuds said:

Don't let Martha read this or she'll bite your head off..lol. I made a comment on how bad the acting was on the show and she bit my head off. She's a beyotch.

 

why would you tell an actress the acting on the show she loves and works on is bad?  LOL. Of course she bit your head off! 

 

I love Martha as Belle. Kirsten grated on my nerves.

 

I'd take Jason Cook back any day as much as I have grown to love Brandon in the role.

 

I don't agree Martha looks matronly. To each their own  I guess the ages don't bother me because everyone is kinda fucked up when it comes to their ages. I agree it was a mistake to age Belle so much in 1999. But we keep forgetting Philip was aged too. Also way too much. I mean, Jay isn't exactly fresh faced ... but let's call out Martha.

 

I like Martha because she didn't flee from DAYS for a 'step up' at General Hospital and she actually cherishes having a job there and she loves and supports the show. I also think she's a better actress than Kirsten Storms.

 

I mean, I still cling to Heather Tom as Victoria Newman so I get it, but Kirsten's never coming back.

Edited November 13, 20205 yr by KMan101

34 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

 

I think a lot of it was down to due to things like David being aged up, which also aged Julie up as a character. There was still a period where she and Doug could have had a child, in the late '70s and early '80s, but it seems like they were moved into an older bracket by that point.

Agreed

 

It was really unlucky for Doug and Julie that right when they were reunited, the younger characters mandate came down. They could have definitely had a child under Ann Marcus' tenure but instead the writers chose to make David a parent.

Edited November 13, 20205 yr by AbcNbc247

11 hours ago, ranger1rg said:

Martha Madison is 43. Brandon Beemer is 40. But poster after poster is going after her for being too old? Huh???

 

i’m no huge MM fanboy, but this ageism is really unfair in my eyes. I do think she looks and is styled much better on this run than she has been in the past, when Beemer seemed like a reach for her. Now? I’m ok with them being together.

 

As I’ve said before, I do think nuClaire is a complete miscast. She’s a new character, and that’s not what the show needed. I don’t see any chemistry with Charlie either — or with nuTheo.

 

NuTheo has fans here, but again, he felt like a new character to me. Kyle Pettis’ acting has been criticized, yet I always felt his autistic side came through. I never forgot he had autism, and I credit Pettis for that. He wasn’t just good abs.

 

Thank you. The ageism is irritating me too. Kirsten and Martha are 7 years apart. Martha has always gotten the short end of the stick from people who cling to Kirsten for some reason. Kirsten played Belle from 1999-2004. Martha's been playing Belle for 16 years. Not consecutively of course but still.

 

Sorry I just think Pettis was overrated, but yes you didn't forget he had autism. He did good work. I just don't think some recasts are given a fair shot because, for one reason or another, we cling to who played the character previously. I beat the dead horse that is Amelia Heinle and Heather Tom. So I get it.

 

And I agree with Carl, David and Mike's aging up really screwed things up all the way back then. It's a hot mess now. It is what it is at this point. I'd love to fix it all (Belle, Brady and Abby should be the same age and contemporaries - Belle is a year younger of course). Just a reminder that Philip and Will should be the same age.

5 minutes ago, AbcNbc247 said:

Agreed

 

It was really unlucky for Doug and Julie that right when they were reunited, the younger characters mandate came down. They could have definitely had a child under Ann Marcus' tenure but instead the writers chose to make David a parent.

 

Agreed too. Mike and David were aged up way too much and it ultimately, to me, helped kill those characters and really aged up Doug/Julie and Bill/Laura, basically putting them entirely out to pasture.

Edited November 13, 20205 yr by KMan101

@KMan101 it might have been how bad the show was...either way she was a b!tch...lol..

Edited November 13, 20205 yr by Soapsuds

36 minutes ago, carolineg said:

They were even setting it up to be a thing in 1986 when Marlena was fainting on her and RoJohn's honeymoon.  Obviously, that's where the Gemini Twins story should have gone, but I wouldn't want lame Rex and Cassie to be their kids at all. Honestly, though, Jarlena have enough family running around Salem as is and post-1999 it would have been just small, temporary conflict for Jarlena to have another kid if any at all.  Marlena barely batted an eye at Paul being John's.

I guess.  It still seems short-sighted.  Even if they were aged up.  Marlena had Belle who should be a year or so older than Will and Hope had Ciara who is the same age as Claire.  They should have been given at least one kid.

 

It's such a mess. LOL. 

 

I'm still annoyed Jarlena don't have their 1986 kid. But I guess at the same time, they have enough family, LOL. 

 

It's startling to realize how many missed opportunities soaps have wasted over the decades.

9 minutes ago, Soapsuds said:

@KMan101 it might have been how bad the show was...either way she was a b!tch...lol..

 

LOL

 

The truth hurts. Look at the show right now. Hot mess that I have little interest in.

 

Meanwhile ...

 

Remember when Kristen and Lani's bizarre friendship was almost entirely forgotten about? Can we go back to that time?

Edited November 13, 20205 yr by KMan101

5 minutes ago, KMan101 said:

 

It's such a mess. LOL. 

 

I'm still annoyed Jarlena don't have their 1986 kid. But I guess at the same time, they have enough family, LOL. 

 

It's startling to realize how many missed opportunities soaps have wasted over the decades.

 

LOL

 

The truth hurts. Look at the show right now. Hot mess that I have little interest in.

MM was going on and on about how great the show was. This was a few years back.

Just now, Soapsuds said:

MM was going on and on about how great the show was. This was a few years back.

Damn. Does that mean she was talking about Higley's tenure? That was a mess.

1 minute ago, Soapsuds said:

MM was going on and on about how great the show was. This was a few years back.

 

Maybe she was high?

 

She was probably campaigning to return lol 

8 minutes ago, KMan101 said:

It's startling to realize how many missed opportunities soaps have wasted over the decades.

That's one question I would love to ask pretty much every soap writer: why did you choose to take a story in the direction that you did instead of another direction?

58 minutes ago, carolineg said:

I guess.  It still seems short-sighted.  Even if they were aged up.  Marlena had Belle who should be a year or so older than Will and Hope had Ciara who is the same age as Claire.  They should have been given at least one kid.

 

True, but JER never cared about those types of mandates - he just wrote whatever he wanted. He had Marlena get pregnant again in 2005 or so, which was pretty nuts. 

11 minutes ago, KMan101 said:

 

It's such a mess. LOL. 

 

I'm still annoyed Jarlena don't have their 1986 kid. But I guess at the same time, they have enough family, LOL. 

 

It's startling to realize how many missed opportunities soaps have wasted over the decades.

 

looloool 

 

It is annoying they never gave Jarlena that kid, but it would have had to happened in the early or mid 90's for it to have true impact.  Imagine if they found real Roman and random kid and had to figure out both identities?  J/K the Tale of Two Romans was confusing enough.

 

I think MM is the ultimate team player so it doesn't surprise me she was gun ho about the show in public.  Especially considering her job with Days has been pretty tenuous for years.  Also, my slam wasn't personally on MM's age or about a preference for KS.  MM looks fine for her age.  And they were styling her matronly when she was in her 20's lol.  Not her fault. Some of those bad haircuts were. She's just too old to be Belle.  EM is too old to be Brady.  The show aged them once too much then aged both of them again.  Phillip was aged too much as well, but I guess it doesn't bother me as badly because it doesn't throw things out of whack for Phillip to be closer in age to Lucas as it does for Brady/Belle to be the same age as Sami/Eric.  The Jarlena affair has a larger bearing on ages because of Sami's actions while the Phillip/Vivian/Kate thing doesn't really have relevance on Lucas's age if that makes sense?  It could have happened at any time, but Belle's birth has a specific timeline for certain characters.  

 

I, mean, no big deal now.  It just still annoys me.  

2 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

 

True, but JER never cared about those types of mandates - he just wrote whatever he wanted. He had Marlena get pregnant again in 2005 or so, which was pretty nuts. 

 

Agreed.  That was absolutely ridiculous and I think DH/Marlena is an ageless queen.  But she was clearly past her child bearing years lol

Regarding Belle, I think the "Grandma Belle" type comments were often down to how cold Madison was in the role. I remember they were trying to push a "hot" affair with her and JKJ's Philip around 2007 or 2008 and it just felt awkward. 

11 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

 

True, but JER never cared about those types of mandates - he just wrote whatever he wanted. He had Marlena get pregnant again in 2005 or so, which was pretty nuts. 

Talking about messed up ages...wasn't EJ born AFTER Will?

4 minutes ago, pdm1974 said:

Talking about messed up ages...wasn't EJ born AFTER Will?

Hands down, one of the worst SORAS' in soap history.