1 minute ago, soapfan770 said:

 

 

He was widely loathed at Santa Barbara but he was great on ATWT. I wonder if he ever regretted leaving Y&R?

 

If he did, he had far less time to regret it than WJB. 

3 minutes ago, soapfan770 said:

 

At least for giving him several additional years of story until he was furloughed in 1998. 

 

Without a doubt he was kept around for almost an extra decade for Cricket's sake and not only that -- he has LLB to thank for the ton of appearances too. You cannot tell me he would've appeared half as much otherwise.

1 minute ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

If he did, he had far less time to regret it than WJB. 

Very true. 1990-1994 was pretty much Y&R’s second golden era. 

21 minutes ago, soapfan770 said:

I always believed having him write Phyllis calling her “The Bug” was his answer to any fan complaints. 

 

14 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

Wasn't much of an answer though. Maybe a small gesture to placate people who didn't care for her? In any case, having a psycho like Phyllis being the one to deliver the line, gave sort of a back-handed perverse pleasure that was momentary, I guess. 

 

Funny you should mention that; I always felt the whole Phyllis feud was a way to help tone down the Cricket worship by other characters. Even if it wasn't a lot, it felt so good to have someone hate her! lol

I've been so bad about watching the classic episodes. I have all of last week to get through! lol. 

9 minutes ago, yrfan1983 said:

The tragedy of it all, is that a few months after TL left - Cricket's insta-family was no more: Jessica dead, Jim written off, Scott sequestered off w/Lauren.  And the character of Jack was in a front-burner story with Nikki! Imagine if TL played that story instead of PB 😕

 

I know. I wonder if that would've happened anyway or if his exit actually shook WJB enough to alter things. Considering Jim was pawing at Nikki, I think Bell genuinely planned to make a thing out of it.

 

And let's not get started on how radically different things would've been if TL had stuck around. Jack wouldn't have been a lovesick worrywart for one. Sigh.

Edited May 6, 20205 yr by YRBB

12 minutes ago, YRBB said:

 

He had enough of the INSANE Cricket propping (and it was ridiculous) and walked.

And he was justified in feeling that way.

8 minutes ago, soapfan770 said:

Very true. 1990-1994 was pretty much Y&R’s second golden era. 

 

What I actually meant was that TL's life was a whole lot shorter than WJB's so he would've had far less time to think about it. Although speaking of 1990- on, had Jack Abbott been as magnetic a character going forward as it had been, the Abbotts probably would have absorbed a lot more of the screen time and perhaps there wouldn't have been the emergence of the Winters/Barber family line. 

 

7 minutes ago, YRBB said:

Funny you should mention that; I always felt the whole Phyllis feud was a way to help tone down the Cricket worship by other characters. Even if it wasn't a lot, it felt so good to have someone hate her! lol

 

I think so too, although by having Phyllis be the one to say it would certainly undercut the value of it. 

Edited May 6, 20205 yr by DramatistDreamer

1 minute ago, Soapsuds said:

And he was justified in feeling that way.

 

100%. It was tragic losing him but I respect him immensely for standing up to what was perhaps the biggest atrocity on Y&R and seeing it for what it is.

 

(I have to say, though, like it was pointed out earlier: How sad that the biggest issue was Cricket. Compared to today, it seems minuscule).

6 minutes ago, YRBB said:

 

Without a doubt he was kept around for almost an extra decade for Cricket's sake and not only that -- he has LLB to thank for the ton of appearances too. You cannot tell me he would've appeared half as much otherwise.

Haha yeah Danny was such an 80’s leftover in the ‘90’s, although I appreciate the show did try veracity by saying Danny sung “Rock On” and having Danny go be in Joseph and the Technicolor Dreamcoat. I don’t know what else would he have done otherwise aside from possibly shack up with Lauren? I’m always surprised he was on the show for so long too.

 

Probably the funniest thing was upon his 2003 return Paul & Lynne had Googled Danny and found out he was considered a washed up has been.  

2 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

I think so too, although by having Phyllis be the one to say it would certainly undercut the value of it. 

 

True enough. If the only one hating her is a psycho then that kind of supports her goodness, doesn't it? 

 

Then again, based on Cricket's characterization, it would've never really given anyone else reason to hate her. Nikki was blissfully bitchy there for a while thanks to the Victor/Christine thing (baaaarf) but that was dropped.

The funny thing is even LLB grew tired of Christine’s saccharine status and was one of the reasons she turned down offers to return in 2008 because wanted “bitchy” material to play if I recall right. 

I was a teen then, so forgive me. So Cricket was that hated?

The never even mentioned how Nikki almost married Jim when Christine started to interact with her and Victor more in 1995/1996 did they? I wouldn’t be surprised if they acted like Nikki and Christine never met each other...I’ve seen the episode where victor and Chris officially meet from October 1995 and just thinking that’s pretty insane even for an isolated show like Y&R that it took 12 whole years just for them to have scenes together...

3 minutes ago, soapfan770 said:

The funny thing is even LLB grew tired of Christine’s saccharine status and was one of the reasons she turned down offers to return in 2008 because wanted “bitchy” material to play if I recall right. 

In fact, she appeared more under JFP than she did when her own sister-in-law was running the show. She even tried to cool down the situation over Maria's firing at one point, lol.