In NYC, officials are setting aside the Jacob K. Javitz Center, which, if you know NYC/Manhattan streetscape, is quite far removed from the center of Midtown Manhattan, down by 11th Avenue, which is pretty isolated and was never that accessible (but hopefully is moreso now).  If something like that is going to work, it's probably going to have to be in a setup similar to this.

2 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

 

In an ideal world, the policies Newsom is making about rehousing the homeless would be used even after all this is over, but they won't.

 

I hope this will be of serious consideration even after the most serious dangers have passed. This pandemic has really shined a light on all the deficiencies in the system. It should be a point of civic pride to fix the deficiencies. Or else, what type of society/world are we living in??

20 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

 

In an ideal world, the policies Newsom is making about rehousing the homeless would be used even after all this is over, but they won't.

 

18 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

I hope this will be of serious consideration even after the most serious dangers have passed. This pandemic has really shined a light on all the deficiencies in the system. It should be a point of civic pride to fix the deficiencies. Or else, what type of society/world are we living in??

 

I do really bad for homeless people in a time like this. They are already at serious risk for various dangers as it is. And now they are even more at risk with this situation regarding this virus. Some of them not being able to keep up with their personal hygiene because the gyms are closing is just the tip of their problems.

 

I did read about what Newsome was doing and I wish more could/would be done to help them all over this country. I did see somewhere that some of them were actually taking over houses in places like California that were owned by the state and living in them. Now granted, that also presents it's sets of problems. But I can understand that they are scared and vulnerable and how more than ever, they really don't want and need to be on the streets right now. 

 

I also saw some one post a statistic, that there are actually more homes than homeless people. (I think it's like a 6:1 ratio or something like that.) That is shameful and more needs to be done to help them during and after this pandemic.

Edited March 23, 20205 yr by xtr

2 minutes ago, xtr said:

I also saw some one post a statistic, that there are actually more homes than homeless people. (I think it's like a 6:1 ratio or something like that.) That is shameful and more needs to be done to help them during and after this pandemic.

 

A lot of people buy up empty houses and then leave them, as they are just for tax purposes. Some activists in California have begun squatting in the houses (although they don't call it that anymore). It will probably end soon enough, but the idea is sound.

1 hour ago, xtr said:

 

I can understand why people are upset about Trump's leadership and weary of decisions he wants to make that. That being said while I don't agree with Trump when it comes to a lot of things, but I do think that evaluating things after a couple weeks is actually a good idea. Though, I don't know what/how definitive decisions can be made at that time. I think that people need to take things a bit slower here, especially since there is still things we don' t know about the virus. I do feel like are trying to make long terms decisions and that those decisions could will have long term and devastating ramifications for people and the economy. Things that could end up being more damaging than even the impact of the virus.

 

Losing jobs creates it's own set of problems including health problems for people to include hurting people who suffer from depression, are suicidal, need to work to try and pay for medications to help deal with serious health conditions etc... I feel like these things are being overlooked in all of this hysteria over the virus. Heck even something that would seem not that big of a deal like closing down gyms hurts at risk people like the homeless. Many people who are working homeless got to places like gyms in LA and shower/shave. Now that the gyms are closed down, where they are supposed to go maintain personal hygiene.

 

I saw mention that some of the shelters there are inadequate and aren't equipped to help them. More people not being able to clean themselves will definitely help the spread of a virus. That could exacerbate the spread of a virus much more than people just going out to some place. But that's the type of stuff that a lot people aren't thinking about in all of this panic. I also wonder if we could see an increase in crime as people become more despondent as they are losing their jobs and not having any resources.

 

I do think that the ramifications of the panic over this virus could have an even worse impact than the virus itself. And at some point are going to have weigh the other issues that are resulting from all of the panic and shutting down things against the actual damage the virus is actual doing. And at some point, people are going to have to open back up the economy for most people. They are going to have to. Most people can not sit home long term (or even short term), and they still haven't come up with an agreement on the stimulus plan. And even if they do, unless it's monthly payments for a while, it;'s only going to do so much.

 

I think that some people on places like Twitter live in a fantasy world, where they think that a lot of people can just stay at home long term and it's not like that. I wonder how many of these people actually work or depend on working people to survive. I honestly don't get them or their line of thinking. I do see people pushing for long term shutdown and I don't think that's the direction we should go in.

 

We have to be realistic when it's all said and done about what can and can't be done. I do feel like things need to be evaluated periodically and that long term decisions shouldn't be made right now. It might have to start with at a point,  opening back up the economy for more people, but still encouraging/insisting they go home after work type of thing for a bit. (Unless they need to get stuff like groceries). I think they would have been better off doing that initially and encouraging the high risk people to stay at home. And people to be careful/protective of the high risk people. And do whatever can be done regarding things like trying to get more tests/create a vaccine.

 

This is so true!

I think all of this what if this and that right now is not really first priority. Can we just say first of all we were not prepared for this. South Korea has restrictions but they have also been able to contain and manage it because - lets all say it - testing. This country - remember the richest country in the history of the world - still is not properly preparing for testing people.

 

I work out of my home for the most part - visiting clients as needs warrant it - I was notified last week I was exposed to someone with COVID-19 the week before last when I was at a client site in a meeting with that person. So I have been self isolating. Which even as a home worker and with a senior mom who lives in a retirement community yet sort of depends on me is hard. You know what I could do if testing was available to everyone - get tested. But I can't because while I have been exposed to someone, I don't have any symptoms. I guess I am only speaking for myself but if I could test and find out I don't have it it would be a weight off my mind and I can now work on protecting myself and those around me more thoroughly. 

 

And how long does this impact the folks most at risk. Will moms retirement community still be on semi lockdown because they are an at risk population? What about people sneezing and coughing who has a cold. Do they go home?

 

I don't have the answers but sending folks back to work now when we still don't know the scope is irresponsible.

Edited March 23, 20205 yr by JaneAusten

5 minutes ago, JaneAusten said:

I work out of my home for the most part - visiting clients as needs warrant it - I was notified last week I was exposed to someone with COVID-19 the week before last when I was at a client site in a meeting with that person. So I have been self isolating. Which even as a home worker and with a senior mom who lives in a retirement community yet sort of depends on me is hard. You know what I could do if testing was available to everyone - get tested. But I can't because while I have been exposed to someone, I don't have any symptoms. I guess I am only speaking for myself but if I could test and find out I don't have it it would be a weight off my mind and I can now work on protecting myself and those around me more thoroughly. 

 

Sorry to hear that. I hope everything will turn out fine for you. 

Sending you good thoughts and hope that you will maintain good health @JaneAusten

2 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

 

Sorry to hear that. I hope everything will turn out fine for you. 

Thanks I am not ill and I just have a few more days. I'm generally healthy, my breast cancer was almost 20 years ago when I was young, so I don't have any underlying health issues. Never smoked. It's the unknown that we are still dealing with. If testing and the type of tracking and containment South Korea is doing was available here, we would all know a while lot more at this point. Even this weekend people were still in Florida partying it up as if there is no care in the world.

I think we're gonna have to learn how to handle situations like this better in the future, because I don't think this is the last time something like this will happen.

We humans may think that we're above nature, but we're not and nature is making that abundantly clear to us now. We've used and abused our planet for too long, and nature is now beginning to strike back.

I'm already so tired of trying to remember not to touch my face.  It's impossible.  And it's mental...as soon as someone tells you not to do something...like in this instance I feel like my nose or ears or face in general is itching.  And because of allergies my nose has been running for the last month as-is.  I didn't go out all weekend...and now people are saying what we've been saying.  The virus isn't just going to go away - 2 weeks off or closing until mid April....the virus will still be here.  The DC metro area had the largest increase yesterday yet.  And yes, it's because people weren't being tested so we knew more people had it because of lack of testing, but it's just now really beginning to spread.  And the more people that get it and don't follow warnings the more it will spread.  I can't even imagine if schools were open in this county.  We have 16 large High Schools and countless middle schools and elementary schools.  

56 minutes ago, JaneAusten said:

Thanks I am not ill and I just have a few more days. I'm generally healthy, my breast cancer was almost 20 years ago when I was young, so I don't have any underlying health issues. Never smoked. It's the unknown that we are still dealing with. If testing and the type of tracking and containment South Korea is doing was available here, we would all know a while lot more at this point. Even this weekend people were still in Florida partying it up as if there is no care in the world.

 

🙏

6 hours ago, DRW50 said:

He's going to try to kill us all.

 

Better to do that, I guess, than face the possibility of being voted out of office after only one term.

 

5 hours ago, Chris B said:

As we can see by the bill they're trying to pass, it's likely most Americans won't get anything and the businesses will be the ones saved. If that happens I can't imagine how Americans will react.

 

I'll give you a hint:

 

 

4 hours ago, DRW50 said:

I never thought we were getting a check. It's a setup for a blame game. And so many, many people fell for it, most of all the media. Look at this nonsense about the realignment of the parties and how the Republicans now want the government to help people. No basis in truth, but people will lap it up, because it makes them feel good.

 

Same.

Edited March 23, 20205 yr by Khan

Many good wishes, @JaneAusten.

 

 

 

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