4 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

I still watch a few times per week (online, of course).

It used to be fun to dissect storylines and see if/how I could come up with something better for existing or imagined stories, even when the show was bad but it hardly seems worth it now.

I got tired of people assuming that any critical thinking meant that you wanted to tank the show. I also got tired of trolls who want to pick fights at every turn for whatever reason.

I just got tired, LOL.

 

MMM-HMM. Well said.

 

I want the show to be great, but I'd settle for pretty good. Unless I'm visiting my mom and she has it on, I honestly don't miss it. The recaps are just not compelling enough to draw me back in. Same with B&B.

 

I'm sure part of it has been streaming (binge-watching) shows like Reign, Quantico and Voyager during the past few months - all those shows managed to successfully write strong women - I look at the SSM era of exceptionally weak and thirsty women who can't do anything without the acceptance, approval or insight of a man - and it's like yuk! And I'm a dude!  

9 hours ago, edgeofnik said:

 

MMM-HMM. Well said.

 

I want the show to be great, but I'd settle for pretty good. Unless I'm visiting my mom and she has it on, I honestly don't miss it. The recaps are just not compelling enough to draw me back in. Same with B&B.

 

I'm sure part of it has been streaming (binge-watching) shows like Reign, Quantico and Voyager during the past few months - all those shows managed to successfully write strong women - I look at the SSM era of exceptionally weak and thirsty women who can't do anything without the acceptance, approval or insight of a man - and it's like yuk! And I'm a dude!  

 

Point!  I just don't see Mal changing the 'weak thirsty women' narrative to anything more progressive but I'm open to him surprising me. I hope he will.

35 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

Point!  I just don't see Mal changing the 'weak thirsty women' narrative to anything more progressive but I'm open to him surprising me. I hope he will.

 

I don't see much changing under Mal either (I mean, he's still been the EP over Sally). I'm with you that I hope he will surprise me, but I'm not holding my breath.

Edited September 19, 20178 yr by KMan101

9 hours ago, edgeofnik said:

 

I want the show to be great, but I'd settle for pretty good. Unless I'm visiting my mom and she has it on, I honestly don't miss it. The recaps are just not compelling enough to draw me back in. Same with B&B.

 

 

 

 

It's tough for me to let go of Y&R. I lost ATWT and had actually given up on it in mid-2008 before it was eventually cancelled. I don't want the same thing to happen to Y&R. It's why I'm hanging on, but barely. I record Y&R each day, but basically power through it on FFWD in about 5 to 10 minutes. The only things sort of keeping my interest are Dina and family, Faith and Sharon (but not Sharon's Cagney and Lacey story) and a little bit of Phyllis. I think it has more to do with actors involved more so than the writing.

 

To be honest, I should just probably take it off the recorder and read the recaps like you guys do. Getting tired sums it up nicely.

 

10 hours ago, edgeofnik said:

I want the show to be great, but I'd settle for pretty good.

 

Given the state of the rest of the soaps currently on the air even fairly competent would be acceptable.

50 minutes ago, KMan101 said:

 

I don't see much changing under Mal either (I mean, he's still been the EP over Sally). I'm with you that I hope he will surprise me, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

I tend to agree. Mal will just add more plot to the stories but I don't expect any character shifts or fundamental changes to how women are written. 

41 minutes ago, ajsp35801 said:

 

I tend to agree. Mal will just add more plot to the stories but I don't expect any character shifts or fundamental changes to how women are written. 

 

+1

Wonder how were the women written when Mal wrote Brookside and the other UK soaps he oversaw?

My partner watches the show with me a bit and he even noted that there haven't really been any big stories or moments as of late.

 

I'm going with Graham is Ashley's brother.

Edited September 19, 20178 yr by Antoyne

I'm going to say that Graham is Jack and Tracy's bio brother but not Ashley's. Meaning, John is his father but someone else is his mother. 

1 hour ago, ajsp35801 said:

I'm going to say that Graham is Jack and Tracy's bio brother but not Ashley's. Meaning, John is his father but someone else is his mother. 

 

 

I wonder how Dina & Graham met, if She's not the mother but John is father.

Edited September 20, 20178 yr by MoTheGreat

51 minutes ago, ajsp35801 said:

I'm going to say that Graham is Jack and Tracy's bio brother but not Ashley's. Meaning, John is his father but someone else is his mother. 

 

So that means John would've been involved with someone between his marriages to Dina and Jill. When the Abbotts were first introduced, was there any mention of John dating/being involved with anyone after Dina but before Jill?

My guess would be that Graham is either Brent Davis' kid or John Abbott's kid, IMO.

4 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

My guess would be that Graham is either Brent Davis' kid or John Abbott's kid, IMO.

I would say he's Brent's

Again, if he's Brent's, then he can't sleep with Ashley. That'd be a waste. Surely Sally didn't plan that poorly.