Members edgeofnik Posted September 19, 2017 Members Share Posted September 19, 2017 MMM-HMM. Well said. I want the show to be great, but I'd settle for pretty good. Unless I'm visiting my mom and she has it on, I honestly don't miss it. The recaps are just not compelling enough to draw me back in. Same with B&B. I'm sure part of it has been streaming (binge-watching) shows like Reign, Quantico and Voyager during the past few months - all those shows managed to successfully write strong women - I look at the SSM era of exceptionally weak and thirsty women who can't do anything without the acceptance, approval or insight of a man - and it's like yuk! And I'm a dude! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DramatistDreamer Posted September 19, 2017 Members Share Posted September 19, 2017 Point! I just don't see Mal changing the 'weak thirsty women' narrative to anything more progressive but I'm open to him surprising me. I hope he will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members KMan101 Posted September 19, 2017 Members Share Posted September 19, 2017 I don't see much changing under Mal either (I mean, he's still been the EP over Sally). I'm with you that I hope he will surprise me, but I'm not holding my breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mango Posted September 19, 2017 Members Share Posted September 19, 2017 It's tough for me to let go of Y&R. I lost ATWT and had actually given up on it in mid-2008 before it was eventually cancelled. I don't want the same thing to happen to Y&R. It's why I'm hanging on, but barely. I record Y&R each day, but basically power through it on FFWD in about 5 to 10 minutes. The only things sort of keeping my interest are Dina and family, Faith and Sharon (but not Sharon's Cagney and Lacey story) and a little bit of Phyllis. I think it has more to do with actors involved more so than the writing. To be honest, I should just probably take it off the recorder and read the recaps like you guys do. Getting tired sums it up nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeeeDee Posted September 19, 2017 Members Share Posted September 19, 2017 Given the state of the rest of the soaps currently on the air even fairly competent would be acceptable. Please register in order to view this content Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ajsp35801 Posted September 19, 2017 Members Share Posted September 19, 2017 I tend to agree. Mal will just add more plot to the stories but I don't expect any character shifts or fundamental changes to how women are written. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members KMan101 Posted September 19, 2017 Members Share Posted September 19, 2017 +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cassadine1991 Posted September 19, 2017 Members Share Posted September 19, 2017 Wonder how were the women written when Mal wrote Brookside and the other UK soaps he oversaw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Antoyne Posted September 19, 2017 Members Share Posted September 19, 2017 My partner watches the show with me a bit and he even noted that there haven't really been any big stories or moments as of late. I'm going with Graham is Ashley's brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ajsp35801 Posted September 20, 2017 Members Share Posted September 20, 2017 I'm going to say that Graham is Jack and Tracy's bio brother but not Ashley's. Meaning, John is his father but someone else is his mother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MoTheGreat Posted September 20, 2017 Members Share Posted September 20, 2017 I wonder how Dina & Graham met, if She's not the mother but John is father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kalbir Posted September 20, 2017 Author Members Share Posted September 20, 2017 So that means John would've been involved with someone between his marriages to Dina and Jill. When the Abbotts were first introduced, was there any mention of John dating/being involved with anyone after Dina but before Jill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DramatistDreamer Posted September 20, 2017 Members Share Posted September 20, 2017 My guess would be that Graham is either Brent Davis' kid or John Abbott's kid, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cassadine1991 Posted September 20, 2017 Members Share Posted September 20, 2017 I would say he's Brent's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ajsp35801 Posted September 20, 2017 Members Share Posted September 20, 2017 Again, if he's Brent's, then he can't sleep with Ashley. That'd be a waste. Surely Sally didn't plan that poorly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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