and when Steve Burton comes back you to GH you can bet ur ass oldJason will somehow get together w/ Nina as an FU to Y&R, if Michelle Stafford hasn't fled to Y&R as well by then. LOLz

I don't know that I see them replacing Tognoni for La Staff but I'm ready for Nina's waste of space to go

15 minutes ago, dio said:

and when Steve Burton comes back you to GH you can bet ur ass oldJason will somehow get together w/ Nina as an FU to Y&R, if Michelle Stafford hasn't fled to Y&R as well by then. LOLz

That would be so bad it would be funny.

49 minutes ago, ChitHappens said:

Cat, wasn't JFP the one who put an end to Miller coming and going as he pleased and Stafford's dominance of YR?  Staff/Phyllis was everywhere and it was clear her presence didn't belong half the places she was.  Miller was missing form key stories while out auditioning (Delia's illness, Victoria's kidnapping) and JFP tightened his contract.  He didn't like it so he opted out.  Couldn't find work in PT so GH viewers lost the bet.  

 

My understanding (and forgive me, it was 3 or so years ago, and sometime after JFP took control, I tuned out for a bit: I just couldn't watch her ABCify the show anymore) is that JFP wanted to show Stafford who was boss, and wasn't putting up with her demands. When Stafford tried to go above her to Angelica McDaniel or Steve Kent (to complain about being stuck with Peter Bregman and taken away from her cutie bae Josh Morrow), JFP shut that sh*t down. And so Stafford walked. 

 

However, I don't recall JFP playing hardball with Billy Miller. My understanding was that his contract with the outs was still in effect when JFP came on board, so there was nothing she could do about it. She seemed to be generally pleased by his method/ABC acting. Whether he was pushed or he jumped, I'm not sure. My guess was he wasn't psyched with the calibre of stories for Billy. And indeed JFP made sure that he was written out with Emmy-bait material, for which he did indeed win an Emmy for Outstanding Lead Actor in 2014. JFP is notorious for making sure her faves on GH got Emmy-bait material (Maurice, Tony Geary, Burton), so I'd be shocked if she did the same for a Y&R actor she wanted off the show. No, I think BM left on good terms with JFP. He was getting bored and didn't feel like renewing. Also, he'd just finished a small walk-on part in Clint Eastwood's American Sniper so probably felt he could use that as a launchpad to better things. 

@Cat, totally agree about JFP handling Staff Infection.  

 

As for Miller, I remember folks were upset because JFP didn't give in to Miller's demands with all of his outs.  He was even offered more money to stay but refused because the outs were taken away.  

1 hour ago, Juliajms said:

I did, but given the way I constructed the post I can see why that wasn't clear. Damn, I never thought Burton would be fired. I won't gloat, but I was so sick of the way he was treated as a god at GH. I can only hope that doesn't happen again.

 

Thanks for answering @Cat that makes sense.

 

I don't think it will happen again because Valentini isn't Jill Farren Phelps, and Burton isn't a professional twink.  

 

No worries!  

JFP to DAYS!!!

55 minutes ago, ChitHappens said:

@Cat, totally agree about JFP handling Staff Infection.  

 

As for Miller, I remember folks were upset because JFP didn't give in to Miller's demands with all of his outs.  He was even offered more money to stay but refused because the outs were taken away.  

 

D'oh. You may be right. Per Michael Fairman at the time quoting Fozzie Bear:

 

" “I was made a generous offer to stay on Y&R.  It was definitely a chance to gain veteran actor status.  To pass was the hardest thing I’ve ever done.   I was caught between a rock and a hard place.  This is a great role to play.  It afforded me a unique lifestyle.  However, I realized if I took that contract I would never know what else is out there.  In the past we were able to venture out of the Y&R world; now it seems there is no longer that flexibility for me.”     Billy has also alluded later in the interview on the contract negotiations:  “I can say that somewhere within the negotiation, it just felt like it was time to move on.” "

 

http://michaelfairmansoaps.com/news/billy-miller-in-his-yr-exit-interview-on-contract-talks-to-pass-was-the-hardest-thing-ive-ever-done-bids-farewell-to-cast-crew/2013/12/21/

 

So he had the outs in his previous contract (which he had utilized) but renewal came up and JFP tried to tie him to the show more decisively and he said No. But I do think CBS/Sony, if not JFP herself, wanted to keep Miller somewhat happy, hence the child-killing Emmy SL.

 

Hmmm... now this is making me wonder if the Stafford/Miller exodus started the countdown on JFP's eventual departure. Spending money on unnecessary (and ugly) new sets, plus expensive hires like Cady and Burton and other ABC rejects werwe prob the final two nails in her coffin.

 

48 minutes ago, juniorz1 said:

JFP to DAYS!!!

 

 Speaking of coffin...

 

Edited June 27, 20178 yr by Cat

12 hours ago, KMan101 said:

 

LOL Miller ain't getting much work away from daytime. IMHO. Burton tried that at one time too and look how that worked out, even Ingo left and came back after Titan's failed.

 

I think Burton may be ABC/Varni but who knows, maybe it is Frank. I'm so tired of GH's bloated cast and it just keeps getting more bloated.

 

I agree with you that Billy's never worked well as an adult character. And "Villy" is and always has been awful. Not to mention Billy and Victoria should be years and years and years apart, not the same age and even in the same orbit. It's never worked for me and never will. Since Heinle seems to not be going anywhere (if she wasn't attached to a character named Victoria Newman her ass would have long been gone, JMO) I don't know what they can do. The guy who played Travis and Heinle sort of worked. I actually think the dude playing Graham and Heinle could work, for whatever reason I don't know why but I'd like to see them in the same orbit, even though both are boring as watching paint dry. I don't see it with Thompson and Miller/Heinle made my skin crawl, it just felt like they brought out the worst in the other as they enabled each other's worst traits as actors while pretending it was some big love story.

Victoria and Graham, now that's an interesting idea I think I could get behind.

Just now, Antoyne said:

Victoria and Graham, now that's an interesting idea I think I could get behind.

 

I know isn't it? I don't know why I think they'd look good together but for some reason I've been thinking they should try them.

41 minutes ago, juniorz1 said:

JFP to DAYS!!!

 

Oh hell NAW. NEVER. I'd be so gutted if she ever did. I'd honestly have to turn it off. But I wish the show would go with darker lighting like the Griffith days. So maybe looks wise the show would improve but she guts a show. She just didn't have the same power at Y&R to destroy it

9 hours ago, slick jones said:

David Tom should have stayed on as Billy. They should have split him from haggard old AH and mixed him back in the Chloe set where Billy should have been in the first place. Then we wouldn't have had Grandpa Billy in the first place.

As for Miller, by the time he was done at Y&R he looked a bored and bloated mess---like he looks on GH now.

 

He took too much time off to try and get into primetime and he didn't last on any show.
 

Instead of bringing Jason back, AJ should have had the chance to be GH's lead Quartermaine, but Valentini was too concerned about guys walking around in their tight ass black underwear (see Julian ). to let Kanan stay in any capacity, and quickly had him in jail off screen, deferring to the hammy Miller Of course in under a year, he was walking up those Q steps back to heaven.. Now GH has Franko filling AJ's place on the show, and we have bored Miller phoning it in on GH instead of Y&R.

 

Neither Jason needs to be on screen. Their only reason to keep him is to give bored Kelly Monaco something to do.

 

Chloe's set? She was playing angst and second banana to Chelsea's life. DTs Billy was actually paired with Chelsea instead of Victoria anyway, which was the same orbit as Chloe. So, I'm not sure what you're suggesting should have happened that didn't unless you wanted him paired with Chloe instead if Chelsea. 

5 hours ago, Cat said:

 

Was there a question about which Victoria do you prefer??

 

I can't believe Sony and the audience are so invested in Heinle -- this survey is testament to them basing the show largely around her. What a mistake that has been -- she sucks all the energy out of the room.

 

Sounds like Y&R is ready to turf out JT which is a shame. I'm not a fan of the character, but he's the better actor in the role thus far. Far above Burgess and Miller imo (which is not saying much -- both were painful).

 

DT flopped this last go around. Part of it was the anti-chemistry with AH, sure, but part of it was DT seemed lost. His delivery was limp (combined with AH it was like listening to dolphins mumble underwater). He couldn't get a grip on the character. And that's because he as a person has changed, and the character has changed into something completely different, mainly to fit Miller's limited range and Fozzie Bear mannerisms. 

 

 

Honestly, I'd rather have --deep breath-- Michelle Stafford back as Phyllis than Billy Miller back as his namesake. And I used to RAG on MS back in the day.

 

 

Exactly This! 

 

AH gets flack for DTs failure when he was clearly out of his element. He was NOT good. I think that had he been in better shape, he would have lasted much longer. Daytime execs seem to love a pretty face whether acting is there or not. 

 

There was only one question that mentioned AH/Vikki. And it wasn't even about her. It asked if one enjoyed his triangle with Phyllis and Vikki. Does that mean we can also blame GT too? 

 

2 hours ago, Juliajms said:

He was fired? Why? I thought he chose to leave.

I can't believe they are so invested in Miller that they would dump JT to bring him back. I'm going to have to see it to believe it. I think JT isn't doing just fine in the role. Why take someone who isn't committed?  Anyway, I like Miller well enough, I just don't see why Y&R would recast with him at this point.

 

They decided not renew. He was allowed to come out and say it was his choice. But we all know it wasn't. 

 

 

I think BM left on good terms with JFP.  Stafford loves being on GH and loves Frank. I dont see them dropping Gina Tognoni as she just won the best actreaa emmy. If Michelle were available i see Ron trying to get her on DAYS he loves Michelle.

2 hours ago, ajsp35801 said:

 

Chloe's set? She was playing angst and second banana to Chelsea's life. DTs Billy was actually paired with Chelsea instead of Victoria anyway, which was the same orbit as Chloe. So, I'm not sure what you're suggesting should have happened that didn't unless you wanted him paired with Chloe instead if Chelsea.

 

It is called expressing my opinion, which as always you have to make your comments on. Chloe and Chelsea were best friends, so it's the same set. This is exactly why I don't post in the Y&R thread anymore. No one else is allowed to have an opinion and you always refer to what the audience wants. We all have things we like/ dislike. You don't speak for the audience as a whole.

 

JFP at Days would literally kill the show

Oohhh the plot thickens