5 hours ago, DeeeDee said:

I actually like that the Abbott Siblings are reacting differently to their Mom. But that's largely because the actors are giving it their all vs. the writing itself (and the pacing has been terrible).

 

Jack has ALWAYS been Dina's favorite and more prone to forgive her than the others so it makes sense he'd be willing to hear her out. And Ashley has always been the most resentful of her mother (for many good reasons) while ironically morphing into a slightly more earthy version of Dina herself. 

 

But Traci is GLARINGLY absent from this story and it makes absolutely no sense to continue it without her around.

Traci will be back on may 31 and june 1

Edited May 23, 20178 yr by omess

@Taoboi I like the concept of bad Cane, but the circumstances don't warrant it. If Billy was making moves on Lily again, that would explain the sabotage, the Philly elevator nonsense (to expose Billy to Lily), etc. So he's hurting B&S - his paycheck - AND his wife's high profile campaign, the question is why. 

I thought it boiled down to his constant rivalry with Billy.

59 minutes ago, omess said:

Traci will be back on may 31 and june 1

 

A two day stint for Traci is ridiculous.

 

Stories like this one are why BM needs to be back full time.  

2 minutes ago, DeeeDee said:

 

A two day stint for Traci is ridiculous.

 

Stories like this one are why BM needs to be back full time.  

 

Yep.

 

If they can have Judith Chapman recur and appear as much as she does, no reason Beth Maitland can't be on just as much. Chapman gets more airtime than Doug Davidson and Tracey Bregman!

1 hour ago, Taoboi said:

That's a shame. I love bad Cane. I only wished they would do a long 'fall from grace' arc where he gets exposed publically and Jill is in town.

 

I like Cane being a little bad too. It's better than being the boring nice guy, or another love scene with Lily. I don't believe Cane wanted the sabotage to go as far as it did. He just wanted to hurt Billy, not B&S and the rest of them. But in his zeal to undermine Billy he didn't think it through very well.

 

I hope they wait until Jill's back before everyone finds out. She has thought of Cane as one of her sons for a long time, so I'm curious to know if this incident will change that. Or if it will cause friction between Jill & Colin, with each one taking their son's side.

16 minutes ago, KMan101 said:

If they can have Judith Chapman recur and appear as much as she does, no reason Beth Maitland can't be on just as much. Chapman gets more airtime than Doug Davidson and Tracey Bregman!

 

I'm surprised Tracy only has two days.  I don't remember how she feels about her mother so I'm eager to know. And Tracy is the perfect person for Ashley and Jack to bounce their feelings off. Jack talking to Nikki, and Ashley speaking to Neil, is nice, but they can't get as raw as they would with their sister.

 

And the person who should have been sitting next to Graham when Dina came down to the bar should have been Jill, not Gloria. Dina doesn't even know Gloria, there was zero drama in that. Dina seeing Graham enjoy himself with someone she hated in the past, and Jill realizing she was drinking with Dina's "companion", could have been entertaining. 

5 hours ago, edgeofnik said:

@ajsp35801 DG is making zero attempt to hide his disgust on screen. And I wholeheartedly agree with him. The illogical sabotage/bribery was just poor writing and a weird and unnecessary attempt to prop Billy. 

 

It's necessary. I still don't think fans love this version of Billy enough for what the show wants him to be. They've thrown Cane all the way under the bus to achieve it. 

54 minutes ago, Taoboi said:

I thought it boiled down to his constant rivalry with Billy.

 

To the exclusion of everything else. I don't think Cane is that obsessed with Billy. And if he is, why? 

MAB threw Cane all the way under the bus by having him gaslight Lily. A little business sabotage gone wrong isn't as bad as some of the things Jack and Victor do to each other. Right now Jack's using Abby to get at Victor.

 

Cane and Billy have had a rivalry since Cane was thought to be Phillip Chancellor III. Cane/Philip was the the good son/grandson to Jill & Katherine, and Billy the screw up. Billy didn't appreciate Cane's superior attitude, and lost all respect when he found out Cane was impersonating Phillip. Cane feels Billy is a spoiled rich kid. I don't think Cane is obsessed with Billy or vise-versa. IMO it's the opposite, they want nothing to do with each other, they each find the other annoying. Working for the same company, competing with each other, brings out the worst in both of them.

 

DG should be careful about criticizing his writing, at least they are writing for him. Most writers ignored Cane, and MAB wanted him gone. Some actors like EB can get away with grumbling, but for the most part actors let their fans complain for them. DG has vocal fans he doesn't need to do it.

24 minutes ago, cattykittens said:

Cane and Billy have had a rivalry since Cane was thought to be Phillip Chancellor III. Cane/Philip was the the good son/grandson to Jill & Katherine, and Billy the screw up. Billy didn't appreciate Cane's superior attitude, and lost all respect when he found out Cane was impersonating Phillip. Cane feels Billy is a spoiled rich kid. I don't think Cane is obsessed with Billy or vise-versa. IMO it's the opposite, they want nothing to do with each other, they each find the other annoying. Working for the same company, competing with each other, brings out the worst in both of them.

 

Yeah I thought it all boiled down to the Billy/Lilly/Cane/Chloe quad that took place awhile ago, and ever since they've never liked each other, especially when it comes to working within the same company. 

Edited May 23, 20178 yr by MichaelGL

1 hour ago, cattykittens said:

 

 

And the person who should have been sitting next to Graham when Dina came down to the bar should have been Jill, not Gloria. Dina doesn't even know Gloria, there was zero drama in that. Dina seeing Graham enjoy himself with someone she hated in the past, and Jill realizing she was drinking with Dina's "companion", could have been entertaining. 

 

It's been really unfortunate to not have Jill in town for Dina's storyline. Jess and Marla had great hateful chemistry.

 

 

Jill and Traci aside, I LOVE the Dina story! I think they're hitting all the right beats with Abby, Ashley and Jack. I love the Mergeron story and the potential that has and also the potential for Dina long term. With that said, I'm too big of a Y&R fan to fall for this shyt. WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN THIS STORY! Had I not seen it and read about it okay, but knowing this is a remake of a story involving the same characters baffles me! Dina was on the show on contract for three years and came back multiple times since then. This makes no sense. Especially if they try to bring Ashley's paternity into it. Lastly, they better not be building up to kill her off which is what seems to happen every time they bring an older character back. 

 

Ive been mostly enjoying the show despite obvious network interference, but it's sad that the best story is just a retread of something Bill Bell already did. You know they know the history so I don't understand how this is the story they came up with. Dina doesn't even own Mergeron, Victor does. Wasn't Sussman around when that was written?! 

11 hours ago, DeeeDee said:

 

A two day stint for Traci is ridiculous.

 

Stories like this one are why BM needs to be back full time.  

Truth. She should be back full time. That would instantly make the show so much better for me.

 

I like Cane turning (back) to the dark side.  The character hasn't had a purpose in ages. 

1 hour ago, Juliajms said:

I like Cane turning (back) to the dark side.  The character hasn't had a purpose in ages. 

 

+1.

 

Y&R reverting him back into an amoral jerk suits him much better than them trying to make him into a bland antihero.

 

He's still a terrible character who should've never existed but at least he's not (that much of) a chore to watch right now.

45 minutes ago, DeeeDee said:

 

+1.

 

Y&R reverting him back into an amoral jerk suits him much better than them trying to make him into a bland antihero.

 

He's still a terrible character who should've never existed but at least he's not (that much of) a chore to watch right now.

 

I agree with you and @Juliajms. Cane is much more entertaining this way. They need to keep it. Take him full on villan. DG will have to deal.