Jump to content

Y&R: April 2014 Discussion


Recommended Posts

  • Members

I agree with EVERYTHING you have said here. The issues with isolation, airtime, storyline development are all very real. However, this is not just because they associate with the Winters. It's more the writers not interested in any relationship that doesn't serve the plot. This happens with everyone who mostly have scenes with family or the person to which they are paired. I just feel like people only notice it more when all the faces are black. I suppose that viewers wouldn't care if only associating with other black people garnered the black people more airtime and story. It did with Tyler by the way. Maybe that's why people are complaining about him not being paired with Lily when he has gotten what I see advocated for all the black characters on canvas. When his story with Lily was finished (cut short) they moved him on to a Newman (whether they value her or not is irrelevant as far as I can see) instead of sending him out of town. Or are the complaints just a case of people never being happy?

The point I am arguing here is the "paired just because they are black" comments that I see. They just make no sense in context most of the time. I have given an example for where it made sense to me and ironically, that is the one time where no one used the comment. It always seems to be trotted out when a AA woman is being paired with Neil. I agree that their needs to be a third unrelated black family if the writers insist on not allowing the core black characters the run of the canvas. And I don't just mean a brother and sister either. I mean mother, father, and two kids to accompany the brother and sister family of Leslie and Tyler.

As for people like Kevin and Cane, I have laid out my point on the bias of viewers in the unpopular opinions thread. They seem to embrace every white person that comes on the show REGARDLESS.

Don't get me started on Hilary kissing Jack AND him not reciprocating. It just came across as a ploy to show Jack as some sought after virile man. Blech! What was the purpose of that otherwise? To show him so dedicated to Phyllis? Couldn't be because he was flirting and making googly eyes with Kelly at the very moment. And there was no explanation for why he didn't reciprocate. No discussion on him not wanting to mix business with pleasure. Nope. So we are lead to believe he just isn't attracted to her. angry.png Why wouldn't Jack be attracted to a beautiful and smart woman like Hilary? I am surprised to see you see it as a problem. Most people on here seemed to love (relish) the idea of Hilary with Jack.

Oh, and by the way, the pairing of Ashley and Neil was only a stop gap pairing. It was never going anywhere. ED has gone on record saying that she was told Ashley would be paired with Tucker before his debut.

Tell me, what would a sensible pairing for Neil look like to you?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Replies 453
  • Created
  • Last Reply
  • Members

Hilary is no longer a vixen. Whether with Jack or not, she was not going to be that because this regime doesn't know how. And I don't necessarily buy that being with Jack would have afforded her more airtime. No matter who she is with, she is a minority character. Hilary is not isolated and neither was Leslie. I just find nothing about your statement accurate or rational. LOL

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members
I know people can have a difference in opinion but it's like me and you are not watching the same show. You said you don't see any creative differences between the Newmans and the Winters and I disagree with you of course. It would be redundant for me to point out the differences because DeeeDee already did that. As for Neil and Hilary's relationship, it won't last because nothing involving Neil ever does.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

Age is not the point and ED is as stunning as ever! She just gets more beautiful as time goes by. The problem is that she and Vicky should have no words about Stitch. Ashley flirted with him once for 1/2 an eppy but has been gone. Once she learns that his unfortunate choice is a date with Bricky, that should be the end of it. But I could easily see those 2 hacks trying to create drama where there isn't any.

Besides, Ash is only here for a few eppies right?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

You obviously didn't see ED on DAYS being paired with "Eric" and "Brady" - roughly similar age issue, but she definitely did not like out of place either in the bedroom or other scenes. I know they were testing Cane/Ashley shortly before ED was "traded" to DAYS and I saw some nice chemistry there.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

I agree that Hilary and Neil won't last. It isn't designed to last. I thought his pairing with with Leslie was though. I do see some differences in the writing. However, the biggest difference is in airtime, investment, and design. What I am arguing against is the issue that folks seem to take with him being paired with AA women or him fighting his brother over a woman. That seems to be a soap staple.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

It was so random. It's like they only brought her back to play angst to Vikki and Stitch. What sense did it make for her to leave her daughter's engagement party early to go see this man that she only met once as he treated her ankle in the ER. Eh. It would have made more sense if she was going to flirt with Neil. At least they had a relationship that could have been played as her regretting how it ended. Give me a break.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.



  • Recent Posts

    • I think that worked, but not as much by the late '80s, where I think they started getting things wrong with Mack.  I do respect Kevin Dobson, who did well when he was given the material he deserved (like the story with Jason).
    • 1976 Pt 2 The Organization has retained Michael Selby to represent their hit men. The district attorney recognizes his opponent as a noted courtroom specialist and knows he has his work cut out for him. Raising technicality after technicality, Selby quickly eliminates Lieutenant Price’s testimony implicating Bailey and Jerry’s testimony about Heather’s being assaulted. ‘Then, after cutting Julian’s testimony out as common knowledge, Selby goes straight to the heart of the  prosecution’s case. He demands that Carrie be produced now, sure that she’s been taken by the Organization. To Selby’s horror and shock, the doors open and Carrie walks in, and the courtroom explodes into pandemonium. As soon as the judge can restore order, Carrie is sworn in and begins her testimony. When court recesses for the day, Steve is confronted by another Organization man, Franklin, who questions him about why he took Carrie away. Steve tells him that Carrie was so frightened by the hit man lurking around that he saw his opportunity to be alone with her and “score.” Steve then adds that she wasn’t at all cooperative or friendly—she just cried all the  time—so he dumped her. He insists he has no idea how the police got her after that. Franklin accepts his story, and Steve learns that his next test is to testify to just what he’s told Franklin, omitting, of course, the reference to the hit man. Carrie insists upon a meeting with Steve and begs him not to go underground. He tells her he can’t back out now; you can’t go through life letting somebody  else do it all the time. Steve takes this opportunity to inform Lieutenant Price that he has to dump on Carrie on the witness stand for the Organization, but he can’t stop now. Julian, irate that Selby has blocked any reference to Nurse Fellowes’s disappearance and murder, as she was the only witness who could corroborate Carrie’s testimony, confronts Selby on this evasion. Selby | coldly tells Julian that there is no concrete connection between the nurses’ death and anything else that’s happened in this case and that to bring it into this trial would be a miscarriage of law. Julian, realizing  that it all falls on Carrie’s shoulders now, warns her that Selby will be out for blood; he has to make the court believe she’s lying.  The next day the district attorney introduces Carrie’s tape recorder. The tape, burned, as is the recorder, is barely audible. Selby calls for a mistrial, claiming that his clients’ reputations have been damaged enough. As the judge calls a recess: to consider the motion before the bench, the district attorney admits that he predicted everything Selby would do to this point, but had not guessed about this motion. If it works and there’s a new trial, Carrie is in far greater danger.  Steve now tells Castor that either he’s working for  the Organization as of now or he’s going to look elsewhere for a job. Castor offers the rainy weather as an excuse to wait before contacting “him,” because “the iron in him’Il be driving him crazy.” Realizing that this is a lead, Steve starts to write it down. When he is nearly caught, he warns himself that from now on  everything he learns will have to be kept in his head.  As soon as possible, he passes the “iron” clue along to Julian. The district attorney gains a respite when the judge  turns down the mistrial motion, but the tape has been disallowed also, ruled inadmissible. So it’s Selby’s turn to cross-examine Carrie. When he forces her to admit that she never actually saw the hit man, Selby turns to the jury and informs them that this proves she’s been lying. He then suggests this has all been a plot to boost the circulation of the newspaper she works for. Selby then goes to work on Carrie’s personal morals. Since she’s admitted that she and Steve spent three days in the apartment, alone together, he asks questions and makes insinuations designed to make the jury believe this was actually a sleazy affair. To Carrie’s horror, he then calls the landlady, Mrs. Wilson who testifies that that Steve and Carrie,registered as Mr. and Mrs. Clark, spent the three days in question drinking and partying with loud music and assorted other sounds coming from their rooms until late each night. Carrie rises to her feet and screams at Mrs. Wilson, ““You’re lying!” Steve is served with a subpena.  Joe Castor visits “the man”: Fred Harrington! Castor gives Harrington his report on Steve. He thinks Steve, with his computerlike mind, could be invaluable in helping the Organization work out money-exchange problems. Harrington tells Castor he wants the trial over as soon as possible, no matter how it goes. Those men are expendable; he has a bigger problem: Julian.
    • Given the weird fantasies/out of town barn trips she does for Reva/Kyle, I can't see it either. (Not to mention Kyle's obsessive talking to paintings, or Billy's nightmares.)
    • She would be great, but I of course am thinking of her in What's Love Got to Do with It.
    • Agreed that they had a home in the present tense of the first set of episodes.  But I was wondering if they lived in the mansion in the past when Sophia disappeared, and moved out when Santana got pregnant?  Or even when Danny was born.
    • According to the French Santa Barbara site the Andrades had a house in the early episodes.  I thought I remembered scenes in their home. The Andrade house
    • I always wondered if the Andrades lived at the Capwell Mansion?  Certainly they could've had a living room in their space or wherever they went on days off. But, I felt like it was never clear whether Santana visited Rosa when Kelly and Eden were young, or if she actually lived in the servant's quarters (one hopes modern developers have found a euphemism for that space).  I always imagined that Rosa, Santana, and Reuben lived with CC up until Channing was murdered, and then they found their own place because the kids were mostly over 18 (and Santana was pregnant). I like the idea of Rueban and CC being close until Santana got pregnant.  And then Reuben would've hated the adoption of Brandon.  Which would have meant he hated CC, and would've only continued to work for him to try to get info on whatever happened to his grandson. With regard Ava Lazar, having recently rewatched the pilot for the millionth time, I find her captivating to watch, but her line delivery is so dull. She looks amazing, and I just want her to be more quick witted.
    • I liked the original 4 family set up.  The families were all different from each other and were intertwined.  They should have been given equal airtime. I felt that Lockridges were perfectly cast with the exception of Laken.  She should have been quickly recast.   I liked all 4 of the actors cast as the Andrades and wish they would have been given better writing.  I really thought Ava Lazar (Santana) would have been one of the breakout stars if she had not been replaced. My only issue with the casting of the Perkins family was Robert Alan Browne as John and as much as I liked Mark Arnold he was the wrong actor to recast Joe Perkins. And of course it was ridiculous how badly they screwed up the casting of CC. The other Capwells were well cast.
    • This late 1976 stuff doesn't sound as bad as it has in other versions I've read (weekly recaps from Jon-Michael Reed and SOD synopses). I am surprised that there is a variation of Ian - Meg - Arlene - Tom playing out this late in the game, but it doesn't sound half bad. Ian's involvement with Beaver Ridge and how it impacts Rick and Cal's future also intrigued me  more than I expected. Even the Carrie - Betsy connection having Carrie watch Suzanne while Ben is visiting was a nice surprise. I feel like this all falls apart pretty quickly with the arrival of Mia Marriott, Michael Blake, and a slew of other half baked characters under Upton.  
    • Too bad she ended up on Y&R. Actress Valarie Pettiford might've been "Sharon" because she sings too and does it pretty well.

      Please register in order to view this content

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy