To be fair, half the fun of watching them with other people is making fun of them for me, and I'm a HUGE fan. Recognizing these shows aren't what they used to be, you just gotta accept what they are and love 'em anyway, warts and all. Reward quality when you find it, but don't get caught up in the stupidity and others' desire to feel superior to you. It's not worth the headache. It's just TV.

This thread isn't really about certain stereotypes but things across the board. What about people 30 years ago?? Those horrible things people said about them yet writers didn't live up the the stereotypes at that time. The point of this thread is to vent or tell stories about people who don't understand soaps at all. There are plenty of people who are in there 60s that NEVER WATCHED A SOAP yet they bash them. I know someone who bashed them and I was telling them one of the reasons why I am liking new AMC is because they are 30 minutes per episode. This person who is in her 60s didn't know that soaps expanded to an hour. She thought they were still 15-30 minutes long.

Also, the Jesse Tyler Ferguson situation is grating regardless of the quality of AMC. You see, if you ever watch only one scene let alone one episode of any soap you don't know idea what is going on. A lot of people, weather this is 1973 or 2013, will always get the wrong idea of a soap if they don't watch at least a week or two. You have to either grow up watching them or fall into them.

I don't agree that you have to watch weeks to know what is going on...soaps are riddled with trope. Anyone who has watched a decent amount of TV and is fairly intelligent can figure out stories and where the writers are going in a few scenes. Soap writers are particularly heavy handed. There is no subtlety left.

The other day someone said "I liked Knots Landing because I understand were middle class people are coming because I am middle-class". I was like "I like Dallas and Dynasty and I am not a billionaire!

People have a mirror image complex. Nothing new. However, I will say that my love of soaps is about fantasy. I don't want to see people struggle to pay bills. I like the glitz, glamour, and champagne.

I personally feel that most younger actors and actresses who don't star in soaps will never get "the true acting stigma" if they haven't work with some of the best well known soap veterans.

I hate "entertainment writers" who "try" to watch for like a week, then write an article explaining "soaps are dead", and then proceed to mangle every fact that any fifth grader could fact check before publishing. All those articles bemoaning GL's demise would give me a headache, 'cause 83% of the time, they couldn't bother to get anyone's name right (other than maybe Kim Zimmer's).

If I as a Seinfeld hater mangled Julia Louis-Dreyfus into Julie Louise Dingbat....I would look like an idiot. And rightly so. But Tom, Dick or Jane puts another nail in "All Life Turn's" coffin, and they're brilliant. Whatever.

One man's Grimm, Lost, Mad Men, Breaking Bad or NASCAR, Duck Dynasty or WWE is another person's As The World Turns, Guiding Light or DOOL. They're a lot more alike than they are different. And knowing your favorite baseball players stats, down to how many times they've struck out with bases loaded when facing a left-handed pitcher is no different than being able to recite Lisa Miller Hughes Eldridge Shea Colman McCall Mitchell Chedwyn Grimaldi at the drop of a hat.

I hate "entertainment writers" who "try" to watch for like a week, then write an article explaining "soaps are dead", and then proceed to mangle every fact that any fifth grader could fact check before publishing. All those articles bemoaning GL's demise would give me a headache, 'cause 83% of the time, they couldn't bother to get anyone's name right (other than maybe Kim Zimmer's).

If I as a Seinfeld hater mangled Julia Louis-Dreyfus into Julie Louise Dingbat....I would look like an idiot. And rightly so. But Tom, Dick or Jane puts another nail in "All Life Turn's" coffin, and they're brilliant. Whatever.

One man's Grimm, Lost, Mad Men, Breaking Bad or NASCAR, Duck Dynasty or WWE is another person's As The World Turns, Guiding Light or DOOL. They're a lot more alike than they are different. And knowing your favorite baseball players stats, down to how many times they've struck out with bases loaded when facing a left-handed pitcher is no different than being able to recite Lisa Miller Hughes Eldridge Shea Colman McCall Mitchell Chedwyn Grimaldi at the drop of a hat.

BRAVO 100000+

I personally feel that most younger actors and actresses who don't star in soaps will never get "the true acting stigma" if they haven't work with some of the best well known soap veterans.

I disagree with that especially since the word best is subjective and some of the well knowns aren't as great as they are hailed to be and have their own bags of tricks they rely upon

Edited October 15, 201312 yr by frequentsoapfan

I hate "entertainment writers" who "try" to watch for like a week, then write an article explaining "soaps are dead", and then proceed to mangle every fact that any fifth grader could fact check before publishing. All those articles bemoaning GL's demise would give me a headache, 'cause 83% of the time, they couldn't bother to get anyone's name right (other than maybe Kim Zimmer's).

If I as a Seinfeld hater mangled Julia Louis-Dreyfus into Julie Louise Dingbat....I would look like an idiot. And rightly so. But Tom, Dick or Jane puts another nail in "All Life Turn's" coffin, and they're brilliant. Whatever.

One man's Grimm, Lost, Mad Men, Breaking Bad or NASCAR, Duck Dynasty or WWE is another person's As The World Turns, Guiding Light or DOOL. They're a lot more alike than they are different. And knowing your favorite baseball players stats, down to how many times they've struck out with bases loaded when facing a left-handed pitcher is no different than being able to recite Lisa Miller Hughes Eldridge Shea Colman McCall Mitchell Chedwyn Grimaldi at the drop of a hat.

*raises my glass of champagne* Here, here.

One of the worst things about those who run soaps today, and the soap "press," is that they believe the common view is that soaps are a bad joke, so they pander to this view. You have something like GH, which is a pathetic joke, and the headwriter is in nirvana because Chelsea Handler or The Soup point and laugh at what garbage the show is. This is success to the soap world today. Being a pathetic laughingstock is success.

One of the worst things about those who run soaps today, and the soap "press," is that they believe the common view is that soaps are a bad joke, so they pander to this view. You have something like GH, which is a pathetic joke, and the headwriter is in nirvana because Chelsea Handler or The Soup point and laugh at what garbage the show is. This is success to the soap world today. Being a pathetic laughingstock is success.

so true... being on those two shows isn't a good thing.. Passions and B&B appeared and of course the trash that is reality tv appear on both shows

Anyone who criticizes today's soaps won't get a fight from me because it's the same crap in and out. These shows have been on the air for so long, so repeating SL are bound to happen. My problem is that TPTB don't care to make these shows the best they can be. If you are going to redo the BJ heart transplant story, put your foot in it. Give the audience a reason to care and cry about it. As it stands, the shows are polluted with the favs of executives and each story is built around them. No one is using their entire cast any longer, making well rounded shows. And black characters could not be further from being critical parts of any show or storyline than they were 30 damn years ago.

So I really don't care if someone wants to mock soaps! They have my consent!

Anyone who criticizes today's soaps won't get a fight from me because it's the same crap in and out. These shows have been on the air for so long, so repeating SL are bound to happen. My problem is that TPTB don't care to make these shows the best they can be. If you are going to redo the BJ heart transplant story, put your foot in it. Give the audience a reason to care and cry about it. As it stands, the shows are polluted with the favs of executives and each story is built around them. No one is using their entire cast any longer, making well rounded shows. And black characters could not be further from being critical parts of any show or storyline than they were 30 damn years ago.

So I really don't care if someone wants to mock soaps! They have my consent!

+1 and that is ridiculous.

They won't get a fight from me either.

They won't get a fight from me and I don't understand the need to label everything involving some kind of drama as a soap opera as if soaps didn't get many of their elements from melodramas. And like Chit brought up the many excuses made for lack of diversity on shows that run 5 days a week most weeks during the year. If people don't take soap operas seriously I don't blame them especially when things like the one in this clip is considered good soap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6lSWd-_fao

Edited October 15, 201312 yr by chicklitsandfantasies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6lSWd-_fao

...sigh...