The P&G ship sailed. AMC was lucky to be part the of the ABC daytime of the 1980s that came with a good demo and a pop culture resonance. It got lucky again that it got canceled so recently to benefit from the new streaming media acceptance that wasn't in place just a few years ago. Back when the soaps were canceled people on this very forum said no one would want to watch shows on their computers but now with these shows, Arrested Development, Netflix in general and whatever else I am forgetting, original shows online doesn't seem like a fairytale anymore.

Anyway, I believe that if AMC was not canceled then OLTL would never have been picked up by PP, and that the only other shows PP would have been interested in would have been GH and DOOL. I didn't like Oprah's stance back then, but if she is willing to air the shows now, more power to her. The people saying she is a hypocrite need their heads examined. Would it serve the shows better if she decided never to air them so she can stay she stuck to her position? How is that more satisfying?

I don't agree with you. There are plenty of people watching classic P&G soaps on YT and still wishing they could be brought back, before, during, and after PP's rise from the dead.

SoapClassics may have been unable to renew their licensing fee for GL and ATWT, but they were selling pretty well on practically word of mouth alone.

P&G needs to get with the program. If they don't want to partner up with some online media outlet, why not just sell the rights? It's being proven every day that there's still an audience, you only need to know where to look to find it.

Edited June 26, 201312 yr by katie_9918

But isn't that OWNs standards because it appeals to prudes? Maybe not really prudes, I'm not sure that's a fair word. I think these shows have always been PG and that's what many people still expect. Especially the daytime audience and I think that's probably still the majority of the viewers both of OWN and these shows.

I prefer the saltier version in theory. In practice it was a little rough at times.

To be fair, I don't have OWN so I don't know what their standards are. I'm assuming that they are the same as most basic cable. I'm not going to berate PP or OWN for that. After all, it's not like Showtime was an option. I think the ABC shows were PG and original flavor PP was a soft R. I think now what we'll have is a PG-13 basically something slightly harder than an episode of L&O:SVU and that's okay with me as long as they don't soften up the sex or the willingness to be a little more raw in other areas, Hunter's nasty little drawing in today's episode is a good example or the scene when Zach was clicking through the porn site. Neither of those things would've made it on a network.

Another difference for me is that the "edgy" content isn't exploitative of just the women. On the networks, you can call a woman a bitch or whore a million times in one episode but at most the only thing you could call a man was a sonofabitch or a bastard and both of those words are more about the mother. You couldn't dare call the man a dick or an as$hole. It's interesting to me that The Prudes had no problem with the word "bitch" being thrown around every day but AJ saying "s-hit" was too much for their delicate sensibilities.

Edited June 26, 201312 yr by marceline

The only slight downside to this is the airtime. If it was network television, afternoons would be fine BUT on cable?

I agree. I think these shows would do well in the evening hours say anytime after 4 p.m.

Is it one episode day? Why aren't AMC and OLTL being aired back to back in a block?

I was wondering the same thing. What airs between the shows?

Hell yes! I'm ridiculously behind, but I will keep up with the iTunes episodes and OWN episodes as much as I can. Watching online was never a problem for me, but there's nothing like watching AMC on TV at noon. Nothing!

And yes, I will need for AJ's filthy mouth and Peter's clean body to be present.

I agree. I think these shows would do well in the evening hours say anytime after 4 p.m.

I was wondering the same thing. What airs between the shows?

It is strange... For some reason I thought the break would be an hour and she would sandwich Haves and Have Nots there (as much as I hate the show--though it transfixes me--it obviously showed Oprah and her execs a way to save their network) but I am probably d runk because there are and wont be for a long time enough repeats. Airing one at one and one at two (their old time slots) would make more sense even if there would still be a gap it wouldn't risk having people tune out as much.

As for the P&G soaps--its funny reading soap press from the 70s who seemedto resent AMC and OLTL as not true soap operas. That said, I have a lot of affection for the shows, but I think fans need towait at least one year and see how these reboots have done before resenting that their soaps have not been picked up

In regards to content--iTunes Canada had no rating until a few weeks back they made both shows 14+ (something they often got on TV, In Canada depending on the soap its 14 or PG.) As of this week they have gone back to no rating.

I was wondering the same thing. What airs between the shows?

I suspect OWN is going to make other programming announcements soon.

Good to finally hear some good news on this front!! This is awesome to hear!

It is strange... For some reason I thought the break would be an hour and she would sandwich Haves and Have Nots there (as much as I hate the show--though it transfixes me--it obviously showed Oprah and her execs a way to save their network) but I am probably d runk because there are and wont be for a long time enough repeats. Airing one at one and one at two (their old time slots) would make more sense even if there would still be a gap it wouldn't risk having people tune out as much.

As for the P&G soaps--its funny reading soap press from the 70s who seemedto resent AMC and OLTL as not true soap operas. That said, I have a lot of affection for the shows, but I think fans need towait at least one year and see how these reboots have done before resenting that their soaps have not been picked up

I do agree that scheduling it near her new Tyler Perry soap would be good- is that a daily or weekly thing? Maybe she could rerun the soaps with it on weekends? I'm convinced the 2 pm thing was not a possibility because that is where GH airs in many markets and something in ABC's licensing agreement bars them from direct competition. I would be floored if ABC's legal team didn't make that a clause in their agreement.

I should also mention that the timeslots are flawless for me. When I'm able to, I can so make a somewhat full soap afternoon block out of AMC, B&B, DAYS, and OLTL with no gaps in between. Of course, that's always an option with online viewing, but again, call me old school, but nothing beats seeing it on TV.

I was raised on PGP soaps and I honestly don't resent AMC/OLTL for getting their shows back. In fact, I only started watching a few years ago, slightly before ATWT got cancelled. Specifically to support some of the remaining on air shows. Or at least try because hoenstly, I'm not home half the time except to watch online and record shows.

I bear no illusions that ATWT nor GL will return. I'd simply settle for the chance to buy/stream some classic episodes again.

Yeah, for fun I imagine how I'd rewrite a resurrected ATWT (I'd probably ignore most aspects of the last decade of the show) but I don't expect that to happen.

I decided to try to support these shows even though I grew up watching CBS daytime dramas because I like the aspect that these shows just might be able change some of the perceptions about soaps, what they're able to be, and the strength (or perceived lack thereof) of the audience. I'd also like for these shows both online and on air to challenge each other and raise their standards in terms of writing, acting, etc.

These shows are not necessarily competing anymore, and AMC/OLTL are not competing with other shows just their own efforts to improve.

Okay, that's the last I'll mention PGP soaps in an AMC/OLTL thread.

Edited June 27, 201312 yr by DramatistDreamer

I think sandwiching other programming between AMC and OLTL is a mistake. I've always been of the opinion that these shows are stronger as a pair, whether you can take or leave one or the other. I think the potential lure of the second program is important for a newer fan who may be initially drawn to just one. I wouldn't split up Green Acres and Petticoat Junction with a block of Family Matters, but what do I know, maybe they figure viewers need a break between all that soapiness. I'll be tickled if they actually plan to sandwich a Tyler Perry soap between the two to "ensure its success" like Agnes Nixon wanted to do with her Loving.

Oprah is smarter than many give her credit for. I know some soap fans are still incensed (they forget that Oprah is a businesswoman) but it seems like Oprah was looking for the revamped version and she likes what she sees (the ratings are probably pretty decent if she's willing to give it a go).

Thank you. My nose didn't go all out of shape, when Oprah initially passed on bringing AMC and OLTL onto her network. During that time period, we had lost Guiding Light and As The World Turns, within a year of each other and then ABCD chose to cancel both a AMC and OLTL.

Why would Oprah rightfully put money into something that initially wouldn't have made an impact on her next work.

She needed proof that a soap would work on her network, without it being a major screwup.

Tyler Perry was able to give Oprah the reality that soaps can dream about tonight.

Edited June 27, 201312 yr by difficultdiva

I truly believe that someday, GL and EON in particular make very good bets for returns and revamps a la OLTL and AMC if P&G ever chooses to loosen the reins. I've said that many times, and I'd be happy to talk about it - I disagree with Carl/DRW that it's off-topic. I think if these shows make it on OWN - and though I suspect they have an admittedly low bar to clear, I will likely be DVR'ing it again to help with the numbers - then other shows are definitely something to consider.

I think sandwiching other programming between AMC and OLTL is a mistake. I've always been of the opinion that these shows are stronger as a pair, whether you can take or leave one or the other. I think the potential lure of the second program is important for a newer fan who may be initially drawn to just one. I wouldn't split up Green Acres and Petticoat Junction with a block of Family Matters, but what do I know, maybe they figure viewers need a break between all that soapiness. I'll be tickled if they actually plan to sandwich a Tyler Perry soap between the two to "ensure its success" like Agnes Nixon wanted to do with her Loving.

Analogies like this one are why you are needed here kthxbye

But I totally agree. I'd be more apt to watch OLTL if it was directly following AMC (especially at 30 minutes an episode). I always said a cable deal should be based on selling the shows as an hour-long block that can be dropped anywhere for two hours a day. The traditional afternoon airing and a later airing (early evening or late night).