But they're not operating in a PG-ish environment any more. Why should they pretend that they are?

I'm happy to debate individual instances of how these shows handle language/sex but I can't see any reason why a show that can operate by FX rules should make a Nickelodeon program.

I don't watch FX often but when I do watch their shows it's because of the overall writing and the characters not the nudity and cursing.

I don't watch FX often but when I do watch their shows it's because of the overall writing and the characters not the nudity and cursing.

But the nudity and cursing doesn't keep you from watching, does it? You simply accept that it's the norm for those shows. This language and nudity is now the norm for these shows.

This language and nudity is now the norm for these shows.

And it's not what's keeping me from watching them either. Frankly, it doesn't even make the top 10.

The sex scenes so far haven't been extreme at all. What has been on OLTL reminds me of what used to pass in the 80s and 90s before they started cracking down -- same with the fantasy with Cara and David.

Really, to call what we've seen thus far on AMC and OLTL as "racy" (something I cop to doing myself) might be overstating things. I mean, I must admit, it hasn't approached anywhere near what I used to see on Blowtime at four in the morning.

I haven't seen the new AMC or OLTL - what kind of swear words are they using? Are we talking "hell", "damn" and "crap" or are we talking F bombs?

All they have said is sh-t and assh-le. I think a couple of F bombs.

The world is so strange. Women have been repeatedly raped on AMC for over 40 years (The mind games Michael played with Bianca before her rape were more offensive to me than Angie saying "sh!t") yet curse words are where some draw the line. ABCD didn't shy away from showing violence, graphic violence (I consider watching characters shoot each other point blank pretty violent) in the last 2 decades yet a little nudity is just. too. much.

The world is so strange. Women have been repeatedly raped on AMC for over 40 years (The mind games Michael played with Bianca before her rape were more offensive to me than Angie saying "sh!t") yet curse words are where some draw the line. ABCD didn't shy away from showing violence, graphic violence (I consider watching characters shoot each other point blank pretty violent) in the last 2 decades yet a little nudity is just. too. much.

Who said that's where they draw the line? I'm saying it's unnecessary and doesn't make the shows any edgier like some claim.

Who said that's where they draw the line? I'm saying it's unnecessary and doesn't make the shows any edgier like some claim.

Plenty of people. Not here necessarily but I've seen comments to that effect online.

The world is so strange. Women have been repeatedly raped on AMC for over 40 years (The mind games Michael played with Bianca before her rape were more offensive to me than Angie saying "sh!t") yet curse words are where some draw the line. ABCD didn't shy away from showing violence, graphic violence (I consider watching characters shoot each other point blank pretty violent) in the last 2 decades yet a little nudity is just. too. much.

Too much? Not really. It looks to me as though someone is trying too much for no real reason. If one character said one word within the first few weeks I'd say it's normal. Now I feel as though I am a geeky soap freak someone is trying to make feel me feel that I am one of the cool kids when I watch my stories.

I am fine with the "nudity". All I have seen so far is soap sex that didn't feel like watching two elderly lesbians in bed. I don't mind the "bad words" when they serve the character. But I don't get impressed by them and I get tired of them soon.

All they have said is sh-t and assh-le. I think a couple of F bombs.

No f-bombs. It's all basic cable stuff (which seems to mean anything but that word...)

"like watching two elderly lesbians in bed."

LOL what?

Who said that's where they draw the line? I'm saying it's unnecessary and doesn't make the shows any edgier like some claim.

It doesn't but it does help the dialogue to sound more realistic.

No f-bombs. It's all basic cable stuff (which seems to mean anything but that word...)

"like watching two elderly lesbians in bed."

LOL what?

It doesn't but it does help the dialogue to sound more realistic.

Elsa must have seen that Danny and Cricket love scene on Y&R last year.

With all the other shows available for online streaming. That includes primetime and basic cable. With the exception of the occasional F-bomb, there's nothing we've seen on AMC/OLTL that I haven't seen or heard on any 10PM drama, basic cable series or telenovela. That's why I don't understand the freakout. It's not like Brooke has Adam chained to the wall in a gimp mask. (Which I actually have seen on network dramas.)

I don't watch any dramas or whatever, but I know there's no way these reboots can compete with those shows.

Exactly. And compared with three days from other shows to three days with these.... Well--I'll say it, they are.

Honestly, let's see where they are 6 months from now before proclaiming them to be any better than the network soaps (I personally think they are no better and pretty much on the same level).

NuAMC and NuOLTL are essentially getting a new start (and more prep time for these first batch of episodes/stories than the network soaps), let's see where they are when that all dies down and they're under the pressures of a similar grind to those on the networks.

Again, with just one episode, people were saying they were so much superior to network soaps. You don't think that bit of a hyperbole?

This. Before we go proclaiming that they're better than the network soaps, let's wait and see where they are 6 months to a year from now. If they're even still around. And from what I've heard, they're not any different from the network shows other than the cussing and the nudity.

Honestly, let's see where they are 6 months from now before proclaiming them to be any better than the network soaps (I personally think they are no better and pretty much on the same level).

NuAMC and NuOLTL are essentially getting a new start (and more prep time for these first batch of episodes/stories than the network soaps), let's see where they are when that all dies down and they're under the pressures of a similar grind to those on the networks.

Again, with just one episode, people were saying they were so much superior to network soaps. You don't think that bit of a hyperbole?

AMC barely even had hired writers before they started filming--it's their own fault, but to say they had more prep time than other soaps is absurd.

You seem to not like to read half of my posts. I agreed that it WAS hyperbole to make such exclamations.

I guess, I feel soaps fans are always quick to latch on to something and proclaim it to be a superior product when they have very little development to back it up with.

This is he way people tend to be in general--especially on the internet. It doesn't change if they have people standing around, shaking their heads announcing "Well you will be sorry, remember how this worked out last time.:" But if that's fun for you--more power to you.