Very well put, Wales. We haven't always agreed on matters of race in the past, but I've always respected your opinions and been curious about your own background as a frame of reference.

And it's not true that black people always go to jail or get arrested for killing other black people. Just as white people do not always pay for killing white people. Intraracial crime rates are higher than interracial ones and that's why it may seem crazy that more focus is given to the latter.

This is correct. I guess I meant in a cut and dry case like this I think the outcome would have been different.

As far as Zimmerman and Obama both being bi-racial.... well Zimmerman looks white and the media ran with that.

It's interesting that you say that because if I had met him, I would never have thought of him as white. I'm not sure it matters though because the same biases were at play, imo.

I watched some of Anderson Cooper's interview with an anonymous juror. She said two of them wanted guilty on manslaughter and one on the murder charge. I would love to hear one of those women explain how they were "persuaded" to vote not guilty. I think this juror who is married to an attorney and very much sympathetic to George Zimmerman, probably worked in conjunction with the two already on her side to convince the other three. Maybe she even swayed them all.

She seemed to cry on cue but she didn't give the impression that she struggled at all in deciding that her George was a victim. She spoke with such certainty about that night that one would think she was there to witness the whole thing. I found it disturbing because I have no idea what happened except that Trayvon Martin was killed by George Zimmerman. Yet this woman recites the events as if there is not one doubt that George Zimmerman told the absolute truth.

So apparently Juror B37 had a book deal but was quickly dropped after backlash. How this b-tch got a book deal on Monday when the verdict was read Saturday night? Courtroom analysts said there was a juror taking down ALOT of notes. Juror B37's husband is also an attorney and may have connections to Mark O' Mara. Not to mention the Prosecution didn't want her on the jury but the defense dug their heels in and fought it and the judge eventually relented. Something in the milk ain't clean...

I wonder if she can be brought up on perjury charges for lying to the judge about not talking to anyone about the case. It's pretty obvious at this point she must have had some contact with her husband during the trial. They have to look at both of their phone records (and their kids), emails, etc and investigate MOM while they're at it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023270359

Let's predict what happens next. I'm guessing somebody leaks B37s name and we end up with a news cycle of her whining about death threats and begging for privacy. I suspect part of the reason they dropped this project is because the other jurors didn't appreciate this famewhore putting them in the crosshairs.

I am glad that Twitter shut down B37's book deal. She should not be profiting off of Trayvon's death. I watched the second part of her interview tonight with Anderson and she comes off badly to me. She seems insensitive, snotty, biased, and I find her attachment to George Zimmerman or simply "George" as she likes to call him bizarre. She really does act like she's a close friend of George and she knows exactly what was going on in his and Trayvon's mind that night. She said that there were things that George shouldn't have done and might have fabricated, and that Travyon played a big part in his death.

It seemed to me like she was putting a lot of the blame of Travyon's death on Travyon.I think that she might have made up her mind from the get go to let George go free. She did say that if he had took the stand to testify it wouldn't have made a difference. Has anyone else heard a juror in high profile case say something like that before? She also seemed arrogant like the rest of the people connected to George Zimmerman like his brother and his defense attorney. I think that she angered a lot of people with her interviews with Anderson Cooper.

Also according to CNN four of the jurors just issued a statement saying that B37's comments does NOT reflect their own opinions about the case. I bet they wish she would stop talking about the case. I don't think that they want to be caught in the crossfire either, and might be worried that her comments could jeopardize them. It is telling that half of them wanted to convict George on something, but I bet that she probably played a big hand in swaying them to change their votes and vote not guilty.

I think that she is the type of person that should be kept off of juries. It seems like her mind was made up from the get go, plus her husband is an attorney. I wouldn't be surprised if she talked to him about the case especially since she had planned to write a book with him. I also heard the rumor that her husband might have some sort of connection to Zimmerman's defense attorney. I'm not sure if that is true, but if so I hope that comes to light.

Edited July 17, 201312 yr by xtr

It's interesting that you say that because if I had met him, I would never have thought of him as white. I'm not sure it matters though because the same biases were at play, imo.

True.. I didn't either, hasn't anyone stopped to think media jumped on this because if they portray this case as "Big angry white man kills poor, virginal innocent black child", then they get everyone panties in a bunch, and keeps everyone glued to the gavel to gavel coverage and news reports, which means ratings.... which means MONEY. Consider that.

Edited July 17, 201312 yr by alphanguy74

This is correct. I guess I meant in a cut and dry case like this I think the outcome would have been different.

So you have an eye witness that says Trayvon was on top beating him, a story that lines up with Zimmerman's interview with police the next day, Zimmerman has a broken nose and that's cut and dry? Zimmerman is a raging racist, although he took a black girl to the prom in high school? Really?

Edited July 17, 201312 yr by alphanguy74

She sounded so elitist talking about Rachel Jeantel. I would love to hear from those three jurors as well.

Rachel Jeantel was on Piers Morgan and I loved her. She seemed like a totally different person from the one that was on the stand.

She seemed slightly mentally reatrded to me.

So you have an eye witness that says Trayvon was on top beating him, a story that lines up with Zimmerman's interview with police the next day, Zimmerman has a broken nose and that's cut and dry? Zimmerman is a raging racist, although he took a black girl to the prom in high school? Really?

Oh could you please provide a quote where I said he was a raging racist? Thanks in advance.

And oh taking a black girl to prom does not mean you don't have heightened suspicion when you see young black males in your neighborhood. LOL at you bringing that up as if it proves something. People can be married to/have children with a person of a different race and still be racist.

She seemed slightly mentally reatrded to me.

SMH

NAACP petition passes 1 million signatures....

http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/16/naacps-petition-for-federal-civil-rights-charges-against-zimmerman-reaches-one-million-signatures/

Edited July 17, 201312 yr by Eric83

True.. I didn't either, hasn't anyone stopped to think media jumped on this because if they portray this case as "Big angry white man kills poor, virginal innocent black child", then they get everyone panties in a bunch, and keeps everyone glued to the gavel to gavel coverage and news reports, which means ratings.... which means MONEY. Consider that.

I am side-eyeing the bolded because you have been trying to paint Trayvon as a wearing gang member attire when all he had on was a hoodie and that his death was his fault.... If Trayvon is a thug for his clothes he wears then GZ can be a thug for getting out of place with a police officer or getting so violent with his girlfriend that she felt the need to call the police.

George Zimmerman wasn't the fat,"soft", meek, meely mouthed individual the defense has been trying to portray.

Edited July 17, 201312 yr by Eric83

Didn't Rachel say that she told Trayvon that Zimmerman was a gay rapist?

Yeah and? She said he could be a rapist stalking him. It's not that far out of the realm of possibility.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UPjjhR-MJew

Edited July 17, 201312 yr by Eric83

Zimmerman definitely was not soft, he took MMA instruction and lost 80lbs doing it. This is a guy who has a temper problem and it's documented in the past.

As for the prom date stuff, that's irrelevant. My uncle was married to a white woman who would go into drunken rages and let all sorts of racial hatred come out of her mouth, the N-word included, so who you date or are involved with doesn't make a difference.

And perhaps Zimmerman's bias is with black men, not black women. There are plenty of people out there who gender separate when it comes to their racism.

Zimmerman definitely was not soft, he took MMA instruction and lost 80lbs doing it. This is a guy who has a temper problem and it's documented in the past.

Yep and that's how we can be sure that he'll pull an OJ and screw up again. Sadly, we'll just have to hope that the next person he hurts or kills is white because that's the only way he'll be held responsible for his actions.

True.. I didn't either, hasn't anyone stopped to think media jumped on this because if they portray this case as "Big angry white man kills poor, virginal innocent black child", then they get everyone panties in a bunch, and keeps everyone glued to the gavel to gavel coverage and news reports, which means ratings.... which means MONEY. Consider that.

No. Because if your not outraged by a grown man - let alone one with proven anger issues and basically a trained fighter - going against 911/police direction and stalking a teenager for no reason other than his race and then murdering him then I'm not sure what can outrage you.

GZ put these events into action. It was TM who needed to defend himself, not GZ.

I can't say if GZ is racist or not. But his profiling and stalking of TM was def racially motivated. If this was a white boy who was wearing a hoodie would this have happened? If TM was white would the jury have found GZ not guilty? I think the answe to both is no. And that is the sad, tragic truth.

People often do racist things, but don't realize it or consider themselves a racist. It happens to me almost everyday, but most cases you can't say anything because you get accused of pulling the race card. Unfortunately, it's just something a black person (especially black men) have to deal with on a daily basis.