Ron really seems to be hypnotized by the concept of rape. He finds it humorous and romantic on one hand (because apparently women really want it) then he flips over and revels in his perception that woman can't survive that crime with their psyche intact. He really seems to like the idea of rape leaving a woman either damaged for life or begging for more. It's creepy.

Its no question he's got a serious thing romanticizing rape, we just got out of a Franco rape storyline prior to his tenure but did he let that go? No...we got Konnie's rape and being taken advantage of by Johnny...it is seriously sick maybe because I just don't find rape storylines entertaining...and after dealing with Jake's death storyline I wasn't in the mood for another dead baby storyline with Starr...Actually I'm sick of baby storylines after this Jason baby switch, paternity switch, DNA switch I'm hoping this will be it for awhile.

He also as a macabre thing with D.I.D. he seems fascinated by it as well. I just don't find it dramatic either after a (short) while it bores me... there has to be another way .

I'm a Elizabeth fan and I'm not happy with her writing...especially what happened to her after Aiden...all I can do is shake my head on this and hope the poisen pen runs out but I'm not surprised; I knew she was going under the wheels. For me with a few exceptions overall Ron is writing women horribly on this show.

Edited September 27, 201213 yr by Cyberologist

If Ron had said Elizabeth lied to Lucky about Jake, so the idea she would do it to someone else is not surprising I could get that.

You guys are missing the Twitter party with Ron. He's defending his "writing" again.

Wow. He's really going to town. If anybody ever doubted that Carlivati has no respect for the audience, he's put those doubts to rest.

This is why I refute the assertion that the internet ruined soaps. Other showrunners use the internet to engage fans, he's just having a tantrum and being a dick.

If Ron had said Elizabeth lied to Lucky about Jake, so the idea she would do it to someone else is not surprising I could get that.

But lying about who sired her kid is not the same as keeping another woman from hers. In the past, Liz has been a passive agressive bitch, but never would she do this. And if you take a character there, we need to see how she gets there. Liz all of a sudden deciding that she has to be with Jason and everything else in between happens off screen, that's bullchit.

Of course, I may have missed some things, but the audience, as a habit, have to connect the dots for Ron. It's exhausting. I watched yesterday because I was not going to miss CarJax or Sharly for any reason, but Liz sitting with Carly all delusional? When did that happen? I've waited 18 months for Liz and Carly to have a sit down and just drink coffee. I never wanted Carly to be speaking to Liz like a Liz was a mental patient, however. That was all kinds of wrong.

I tweeted him and he's saying that he's getting tired of .... "I'm getting tired of the phrase "under the bus." Can we try something else? How about "over the van"? E.g. I didn't throw her over the van."

So I said You gave Ellizabeth "skid marks" what other phraselogy I wonder would please him?

Yes Elizabeth has lied about paternity but she's never switched a test to my knowledge.

No he wasn't. That's why some people shouted to the high heavens that TSJ was never the "real" Todd. Personally I thought he was the real Todd if the character had ever been allowed to mature.

I totally agree. I felt TSJTodd was an !@#$%^&*] and he knew it. There was the humor but you weren't waiting for a studio audience to laugh. He played Todd as a total sociopathic !@#$%^&*] and if women liked him that was A-ok.

I liked that his Todd was able to move past Blair.

Edited September 27, 201213 yr by Antoyne

I tweeted him and he's saying that he's getting tired of .... "I'm getting tired of the phrase "under the bus." Can we try something else? How about "over the van"? E.g. I didn't throw her over the van."

So I said You gave Ellizabeth "skid marks" what other phraselogy I wonder would please him?

Yes Elizabeth has lied about paternity but she's never switched a test to my knowledge.

I explain the difference of Liz's past actions and switching a paternity. I asked Ron to just admit he's stalling for time.

Stupid hack!

He's clearly not very confident in his output.

While rabid fanbases can be a bit inane and delusional, he's even dismissing valid concerns from those Tweeps with sound constructive criticism.

He encourages a discourse on Twitter with fans, and then throws a fit when things don't go the way he planned? GMAFB.

This guy is full of sh!t, the sooner he and Valentini are out on their asses, the better.

He did the same with the OLTL fans on twitter telling them if they didn't like it the show isn't for them.

I'm interested in how his cult over at DC is going to react to that because they are his biggest apologists & cheerleaders, but are also huge Elizabeth fans.

Edited September 27, 201213 yr by JaneAusten

So Olivia is now suddenly okay to go to parties?

Oh snap Kristina just pointed out there's not much difference between McBain and Jason.

Edited September 27, 201213 yr by Antoyne

I'm not really even a Liz fan, but I feel bad for Liz fans. And I worry for my favorite characters. What will they do? I thought we got past the destructive writing with Guza. I thought we'd get more character driven stories, rather than plot driven stories. I guess not. It looks like anything can happen on CartiniGH.

I can't keep up with this episode at all.

This is the most depressing bachelor party ever. I almost wish Todd was invited.

But lying about who sired her kid is not the same as keeping another woman from hers. In the past, Liz has been a passive agressive bitch, but never would she do this. And if you take a character there, we need to see how she gets there. Liz all of a sudden deciding that she has to be with Jason and everything else in between happens off screen, that's bullchit.

Of course, I may have missed some things, but the audience, as a habit, have to connect the dots for Ron. It's exhausting. I watched yesterday because I was not going to miss CarJax or Sharly for any reason, but Liz sitting with Carly all delusional? When did that happen? I've waited 18 months for Liz and Carly to have a sit down and just drink coffee. I never wanted Carly to be speaking to Liz like a Liz was a mental patient, however. That was all kinds of wrong.

the way I took it is that Liz has done awful things in the past to try and manipulate a man into being with her (faking the mental breakdown after Jake and Siobhan's deaths to get Lucky) so it isn't above her to manipulate things to get another man

BORING!!!

I tuned in for about 5 minutes. Shitt looked lame so I turned the tv right off.