Just now, carolineg said:

Not to insert myself and answer for @Vee.  But Connie's DID?  The whole recast and idea was supposed to be amazing.  But KSu is still 15 years too young at least and it was awful.  The acting, the misogyny, etc. etc..  I would say it's his biggest flop IMO.

Ah yes, Broadway legend Kelly Sullivan. That brings back memories I'd blocked out for a decade. I remember the devotees pushing and pushing people to eat that [!@#$%^&*] up because it was supposed to be camp heaven. Garbage.

I think we rehashed the whole Fluke thing just earlier this year in this same thread, but yeah, that was clearly Bill Eckert before Ron got mad people figured it out and then the medical delays from Tony Geary. That was all around the same time they had Luke saying stuff only Bill would have said, as Vee mentioned, and were randomly bringing up the old Eckert house, Jenny, and Julia out of nowhere for probably the first time in a decade. 

Luke having DID was horrible and I think a poor story choice, but we won't get into all that. My personal feelings are that they still should have just gone ahead with it being Bill and whatever they had planned in regards to Julia and whoever. Who cares if the audience already had an idea, especially when it was so obvious onscreen.

@carolineg Connie's DID was really one of the worst things I've seen on GH. Bad all around. 

4 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

Ah yes, Broadway legend Kelly Sullivan. That brings back memories I'd blocked out for a decade. I remember the devotees pushing and pushing people to eat that [!@#$%^&*] up because it was supposed to be camp heaven. Garbage.

I assume Ksu could have been okay in a different role but the whole thing was just so awful.  What was the point?  Kate, Joe Scully, and the kid are all dead.  Such a waste of airtime.

29 minutes ago, carolineg said:

Not to insert myself and answer for @Vee.  But Connie's DID?  The whole recast and idea was supposed to be amazing.  But KSu is still 15 years too young at least and it was awful.  The acting, the misogyny, etc. etc..  I would say it's his biggest flop IMO.

In fairness, she wasn't his recast; Garin Wolf's crew (and I think JFP) hired her about six months prior. It was Frank though who was dazzled with her Broadway creds (given how many Broadway talents he'd worked with in NY theater at OLTL) and he and Ron went whole hog with Connie. Supposedly some kind of DID or mental illness story was on the books before they arrived, but it was Frank and Ron who created Connie onscreen. I agree the Connie saga of 2012 was one of the worst and most embarrassing aspects of that year, even if a lot of other stuff they did that year helped save GH. But no, his biggest flops - the return of the OLTL 3, Franco, Silas, Fluke and Denise - IMO came later.

I personally did not think Sullivan was bad as Kate initially when she first appeared. I was not a fan of recasting Megan Ward at all but I thought she did okay with straight material, before Frank and Ron fired virtually the entire longtime daily writing team.

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2 minutes ago, Vee said:

In fairness, she wasn't his recast; Garin Wolf's crew (and I think JFP) hired her about six months prior. It was Frank though who was dazzled with her Broadway creds (given how many Broadway talents he'd worked with in NY theater at OLTL) and he and Ron went whole hog with Connie. Supposedly some kind of DID or mental illness story was on the books before they arrived, but it was Frank and Ron who created Connie onscreen. I agree the Connie saga of 2012 was one of the worst and most embarrassing aspects of that year, even if a lot of other stuff they did that year helped save GH. But no, his biggest flops - the return of the OLTL 3, Franco, Silas, Fluke and Denise - IMO came later.

I personally did not think Sullivan was bad as Kate initially when she first appeared. I was not a fan of recasting Megan Ward at all but I thought she did okay with straight material, before Frank and Ron fired virtually the entire longtime daily writing team.

Yeah, I knew Connie wasn't specifically Ron's casting or decision. I can see how the mental illness story could be in the works beforehand, but I think everything was rushed once Sonny was single again and Guza was fired.  I think maybe the bones of the story were vaguely there, but UGH...

I would like to throw in Kristina's recast and reality show nonsense into the ring as well....

2 minutes ago, carolineg said:

I would like to throw in Kristina's recast and reality show nonsense into the ring as well....

She was awful, and I said so at the time and people got so mad! I realize Lexi has not covered herself in glory since (and that the recast went on to success on a CW sci-fi show) but woof I could not take Lindsey Morgan or "Trey," Kate's worthless long-lost son whose entire persona and storyline was a very, very lazy rehash of the already bad 'reality TV hunk' story that introduced the equally pointless Ford on OLTL.

1 minute ago, Vee said:

She was awful, and I said so at the time and people got so mad! I realize Lexi has not covered herself in glory since (and that the recast went on to success on a CW sci-fi show) but woof I could not take Lindsey Morgan or "Trey," Kate's worthless long-lost son whose entire persona and storyline was a very, very lazy rehash of the already bad 'reality TV hunk' story that introduced the equally pointless Ford on OLTL.

I actually thought Lexi was great as Kristina, but looked young.  She still looks younger than Molly to this day lol.  I think Kristina/Ethan could have been built into something down the line though.  It was not to be.  I don't think NuKristina was awful the overkill of her being sexy/mature was so obvious.  Tbh, I don't recall the actor that played Trey's name, but he isn't any worse than half the people running around the show now as 'hunks'.

Granted he's always had some misses, but Teschner's casting is often more miss since he's been working with Frank and the preferences he's tried to foist on the show.  

 

Just now, BetterForgotten said:

Granted he's always had some misses, but Teschner's casting is often more miss since he's been working with Frank and the preferences he's tried to foist on the show.  

Yeah, I don't put a lot of the casting since FV on Teschner frankly. But I may be way off on that.

I agree Lexi was great in the early years but is messy now. Trey was played by Erik Valdez, who I believe went on to CW shows as well. He wasn't a terrible actor but he was mediocre and the character was obnoxious and pointless.

On 8/21/2022 at 12:01 PM, DRW50 said:

An unsold pilot with David Lewis in a supporting role.

 

Leslie Charleson was the lead in a ABC 1974 pilot 'Guess Who's Coming to Dinner' based on the 1967 movie.

Not on YouTube though.

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Are there any Playlists with GH 80s full years?

On 8/21/2022 at 9:06 PM, Vee said:

In fairness, she wasn't his recast; Garin Wolf's crew (and I think JFP) hired her about six months prior.

Who's tenure (under JFP) did you all think was done better, Garin Wolf or Bob Guza?

EndlessForms1 did a video comparing Robin's HIV writing under Labine vs Wolf:

 

This scene tickles me.

 

1 hour ago, Faulkner said:

This scene tickles me.

 

Nice to see Judith Chapman sinking her teeth into a scene.  When she shows up as Gloria it's the scenery she sinks her teeth into.

 

12 minutes ago, slick jones said:

Nice to see Judith Chapman sinking her teeth into a scene.  When she shows up as Gloria it's the scenery she sinks her teeth into.

 

LOL she’s great there. She’s still over-the-top and campy but she’s actually acting and not just vamping and doing her Gloria Swanson eye-bulging thing. I’ve been down a Ginny Blake rabbit hole today.