I am glad to see that I was not the only one offended by this scene. I was afraid I'd be the only one and would have to start this thread. Whose brilliant idea -- which one of the writers -- dreamt this up? How low can a show go? Maybe they don't care, because their days are numbered. What did the censors have to say when they previewed this? That scene, singlehandedly, lost whatever respect I had for this show, and that is saying a lot. Here is a show that, in the past, has shown tolerance for every conceivable minority group, and they do this in their final months? Showing two 'nuns' kissing?' Bye Bye OLTL.

I think there's a big part of today's OLTL writing which is the equivalent of a "family" sitcom writer who gets a thrill if they manage to add a damn or a hell into the script. There's always this look at me look at me, puerile desperation.

To be fair, this is true for a lot of TV, and other soaps (Y&R and GH do this a lot), but with OLTL it sticks with me more because I know that various soap journalists are likely to laud this as "soapy".

Edited June 14, 201114 yr by CarlD2

Interesting. Seems like the same couple of people complain every single day about how bad this show is, but I yet they watch without fail. I love it

Edited June 14, 201114 yr by MontyB

The stuff with Tess and Ford was awful, but everything else was very good. LOVED Hilary B. Smith's performance and having Viki with Clint and Bo was a nice touch. It's nice seeing her interact with those characters more these days. The Gigi drama was well done, but the fallout is what I worry about. The initial fallout from the first part of the bullying story was weak. Especially when it comes to Jack. Whether Gigi dies or not, I need a HUGE fallout. If she DOES die it needs to be major for Jack and especially for Rex.

I hope these stories tie things up nicely and pave the way for lots of exits and hopefully better stories come fall. The show is in one of those bad stages right now.

I have never been a huge Gigi fan but I do not want to see her dead. If that is what happens, yes indeed, Jack & Co. need to pay BIG. there is no proper way around that. I'm not giving Todd any passes, but I feel like at least in the hands of RH he was a wounded/messed up person who did despicable things, and Jack is just a despicable little person. Not a layer of empathy.

Post on another board that I totally agree with LOL:

I'm not going to lie, I'm glad Rex and Gigi nay be gone but if she dies cause of that little s... Jack, that is the only thing I don't like. Of course Jack will get away with it cause "Todd" will beam with pride that Jack is turning into a dangerous sociopath like him and Tea gets off on absolving criminals of all their crimes. He will tell Tea to get his murderous son off, pat her on the head like the dog she is, then take her home for more sex while he puts Jack on ignore again. Jack won't be punished for everything he did to Shane (including his attempted murder on him and the sexual assault) or (possibly) killing Gigi. He won't regret it either, just like "Todd" never regrets what he does. He just smirks and repeats, sociopaths R us. Great conclusion to the bully storyline, the bully wins after almost killing the victim then killing his mother, then he gets away with it all. Of course TnB's dumb ass still won't get Jack the help he desperately needs. Jesus, the boy is 15 and almost killed Shane, will probably kill Gigi, said Marty asked to be raped (showing he will rape in the future then harass the victim like Todd does I'm sure) the kid is fuct up, do the math TnB. Terrible parents and the stepmother will get him off for all of it cause Todd will order her too. Great job RC, f...ed up another storyline conclusion. GOD.

I think a lot of the show is a disaster right now, and it's harrowing to consider that they would've continued with a lot of this had the show not been cancelled. I hope they start shuttering a lot of these stories soon and the spoilers turn more appealing, a la AMC's, although AMC had been [!@#$%^&*] for longer and is ending much sooner.

If they go forward with Ford and Jessica I'll be pretty disgusted. I can't imagine ending the show with them together, but it certainly looms large at this moment in time.

I also think it's stupid and cold-hearted to kill Gigi with the show going off the air. Why not rewrite it once the notice came down? There were other ways to spare Matthew and Clint - I hate to think of Shane being motherless and kicked off the show in the fall should JPL leave early. Austin Williams, Eddie Alderson, and to a lesser extent Kelley Missal and Shenell Edmonds are pretty much holding up the entire youth cast on their own.

Edited June 15, 201114 yr by Vee

I think a lot of the show is a disaster right now, and it's harrowing to consider that they would've continued with a lot of this had the show not been cancelled. I hope they start shuttering a lot of these stories soon and the spoilers turn more appealing, a la AMC's, although AMC had been [!@#$%^&*] for longer and is ending much sooner.

If they go forward with Ford and Jessica I'll be pretty disgusted. I can't imagine ending the show with them together, but it certainly looms large at this moment in time.

I also think it's stupid and cold-hearted to kill Gigi with the show going off the air. Why not rewrite it once the notice came down? There were other ways to spare Matthew and Clint - I hate to think of Shane being motherless and kicked off the show in the fall should JPL leave early. Austin Williams, Eddie Alderson, and to a lesser extent Kelley Missal and Shenell Edmonds are pretty much holding up the entire youth cast on their own.

It wont go off the air till January but hasnt it been reported that Ron already has the ending plotted.

Death by carbon monoxide? This must be a soap first! Poor Gigi!

I think a lot of the show is a disaster right now, and it's harrowing to consider that they would've continued with a lot of this had the show not been cancelled. I hope they start shuttering a lot of these stories soon and the spoilers turn more appealing, a la AMC's, although AMC had been [!@#$%^&*] for longer and is ending much sooner.

If they go forward with Ford and Jessica I'll be pretty disgusted. I can't imagine ending the show with them together, but it certainly looms large at this moment in time.

I also think it's stupid and cold-hearted to kill Gigi with the show going off the air. Why not rewrite it once the notice came down? There were other ways to spare Matthew and Clint - I hate to think of Shane being motherless and kicked off the show in the fall should JPL leave early. Austin Williams, Eddie Alderson, and to a lesser extent Kelley Missal and Shenell Edmonds are pretty much holding up the entire youth cast on their own.

To be fair. All of this reeks Jean Passanante. She did the same thing on ATWT. She more than likely nudged Ron do this repeat of a storyline.

Carlivati's got his own huge issues, though I think he's talented - this is the second rapemance he's masterminded, even if Frons "consulted" on the Ford invasion. I think RC thought he could ride through a lot of this [!@#$%^&*] with humor and make it palatable. That being said, Jean Passanante is one of the worst, most relentlessly vile showkillers I have ever encountered.

For Passanante, death is just a simple plot point to shock viewers and improve the ratings. She could careless about the aftermath or what it does to the canvas, just look at her track record with ATWT and AMC.

Carlivati's got his own huge issues, though I think he's talented - this is the second rapemance he's masterminded, even if Frons "consulted" on the Ford invasion. I think RC thought he could ride through a lot of this [!@#$%^&*] with humor and make it palatable. That being said, Jean Passanante is one of the worst, most relentlessly vile showkillers I have ever encountered.

I agree yet she keeps getting hired and gets treated like she is some great writer.

I HATED Gigi forever, but I just recently started to almost kind of like her. Figures. My Robert Ford hate now trumps everything else. I hope someone shoots his head off. Ugh.

For Passanante, death is just a simple plot point to shock viewers and improve the ratings. She could careless about the aftermath or what it does to the canvas, just look at her track record with ATWT and AMC.

Yet we have script writers like Tom Hackiello praising her shock value storylines and what a payoff they had.

So I don't plan on watching the show on Soapnet, can someone tell me who's on today so I know what to lookup on youtube. You can skip Ford/Tess, I have no interest in it...

I have to wonder, what was the point of Todd scolding Jack and then never talking to him again...