And for all the bad things McTavish has done--to single her out by name in that article I think is just an easy scapegoat. It's not scret how many fans feel about her, or that you can mention her less successful runs and people will immediately knwo what you're talking about. You coul really do that with nearly anyoen working right now... (Of course I do agree with the sentiment that soaps were recycling too many fo the same people--but this has been a fact since the 60s, with a few famous exceptions that prove the rule--Hell, that was for a long time the way P&G worked--cycling their show writers every few years from show to show. I do think it was somethign that needed to be changed, but I don't think it really explains the shift in quality over the past 30 years).

Right. It's about strong production as much as a writer. I don't buy the fresh blood bit. Not after "new blood" like Hogan Sheffer completely destroyed three soaps in six months or less.

"When One Life started pulling ahead of All My Children, ABC had a little bit of a conundrum. How could they now seriously cancel One Life, which they were planning to do all along at some point, and spare All My Children? They felt the backlash would have been so monumental that it would have been a PR disaster. So they did something that they felt that would get some serious backlash, but one that was easier to explain. Cancel them both and place two other shows quickly in those slots and say that this new direction adheres to the current daytime audience that prefers shows with some take away value. "

That still sounds like fan justification to me. Would ABC seriously have had a LARGER backlash if they had only canceled OLTL and not AMC? I doubt it (especially since a lot of the media focus have been more about AMC being canceled anyway). Does ABC even really care about a backlash?

Edited April 28, 201114 yr by EricMontreal22

I think that they would have kept AMC if the move had worked out. Once it didn't they decided to give up.

I think that they would have kept AMC if the move had worked out. Once it didn't they decided to give up.

I think that probably is true. But I don't think the reason to cancel both and not just OLTL was due to if they canceled only OLTL the backlash would be too "monumental". Yes, some fans would get mad at ABC for prefering a show with lower demos--the general media and even a lot of fans wouldn't I don't think.

You calling me flaming?

It's a reference to this mysterious ex soap producer's interview on the death of the genre. Many assume that it's Goutman.

Are you sure you want me to answer that here? Or FB?

Where is the interview located Eric?

http://michaelfairmansoaps.com/news/exclusive-former-soap-producer-of-canceled-soap-speaks-out-on-state-of-genre-fans-industry-reactions-and-life-post-daytime/2011/04/26/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

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I think that probably is true. But I don't think the reason to cancel both and not just OLTL was due to if they canceled only OLTL the backlash would be too "monumental". Yes, some fans would get mad at ABC for prefering a show with lower demos--the general media and even a lot of fans wouldn't I don't think.

I agree. I don't think that played into it. If they cared about backlash then Frons wouldn't have been smugging it up in every interview.

That still sounds like fan justification to me. Would ABC seriously have had a LARGER backlash if they had only canceled OLTL and not AMC? I doubt it (especially since a lot of the media focus have been more about AMC being canceled anyway). Does ABC even really care about a backlash?

Had it been just OLTL? The mainstream media would have given it no more than a day of attention. The "big" soap media would basically respond the same as they have, but maybe not as much. Jamey and Nelson would be working it like Beecher and Keller from Oz after ABC arrests them for terrorism.

That interview was obviously with Goutman.

Re: Daytime Confidential While I agree with some of Gidden's diatribe, WHO CARES anymore..

OLTL was always going to be canceled first. Frons verified this. What does it matter now?

This OLTL vs AMC stuff has gotten tedious. He needs to really have some more balance in his writing, whether he is a OLTL fan or not.

Jamey and Nelson would be working it like Beecher and Keller from Oz after ABC arrests them for terrorism.

I loved Beecher and Keller.

That interview was obviously with Goutman.

Re: Daytime Confidential While I agree with some of Gidden's diatribe, WHO CARES anymore..

OLTL was always going to be canceled first. Frons verified this. What does it matter now?

This OLTL vs AMC stuff has gotten tedious. He needs to really have some more balance in his writing, whether he is a OLTL fan or not.

Exactly. It's making him look worse and worse--and petty. Did we need him to reiterate all his *opinions* that he has for over a year now (at least) two weeks after the deicison was made to cancel both shows?

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I think OLTL overall has more life, energy, and vitality than AMC. I think that's kind of apparent. If that makes it a better show, then so be it. I don't find one show's storylines any better than the other's. A lot of it is pretty soulless, heartless, agenda-driven crap. I actually find the show's tackling mental health purely for laughs incredibly insulting and offensive. Yes, there was always a huge camp factor to the Niki Smith stuff, but they always seemed to write it seriously and usually maintained the integrity of Agnes's original vision for the issue...yes, even during the Rauch years. It was never played solely for laughs or to titillate. This whole Tess-Jess stuff, and now the Viki-Niki stuff again, is played just for comedy and titillation. I find it unwatchable. It's just way too much. I was watching the show today, and I turned it off after the first ten minutes. It takes a lot to offend me, but OLTL does when it comes to this. Maybe that's RC's goal, to shock and offend, "just as long as they watch," but it just doesn't work for the mental health stuff.

An average AMC viewer is 57 years old. An average OLTL viewer is 56 years old. I think OLTL benefits from naps.